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  1.    24 May 2016 #81
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vince Massi View Post
    The current crop of new Windows 8.1 machines run Windows 10 very well, but a machine designed from the ground up for 10 will do better.
    No it won't. You take a computer "designed from the ground up" to meet the minimum specifications for Windows 10 and a computer with a processor 4x more powerful and faster, twice as much RAM, SSD instead of hard drive and dual crossfire graphics cards with 8 GB video RAM which was built running Windows 7 and then upgraded to Windows 10 will absolutely smoke your "designed from the ground up" minimum Windows 10 spec computer.

    "Designed from the ground up" for Windows 10 is only a marketing falsehood, but even if it weren't - again - IT JUST DOESN'T MATTER!
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  2.    24 May 2016 #82
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    Tell the "Built for 10 from Ground Up" to Dell and then see where you get fast? NOWHERE! Dell as an only too well known long time OEM manufacturer as I have already pointed to earlier offers the "Choice of OS" on "Any" new system when ordered directly from them. That has been one of their competitive offers since Vista days when many rejected the then new larger OS from ME, 2000, or XP upgrades. They then made the offer more permanent later.

    Hardwares for desktops have been progressive for the longest time as the competition grew not which new version was seen out but instead saw a fast struggle for faster turnovers in newer hardwares while the same versions like the extra 3yr. wait for Vista to arrive while XP was King back then before 7's arrival with the new MinWin kernel which proved to be the game changer overall. 10 has been a progression of that was well as a much needed improvement on the dual hardware platform type OS where the OS what was rebuilt for the existing as well as newer hardwares when it comes down to the Tablet, Mobile platform over the standard desktop. laptop type OS previously seen.

    The OS was build around the hardwares not the other way around with the hardwares built around the OS. Sorry! But when 8 first arrived it immediately got the Bad Rap of people not wanting a "Mobile OS"! when they were still quite comfortable running XP, Vista, and 7 or a combination of previous! The UEFI factor didn't come about for 10 either but 10 as well as 8, 8.1 had to be worked out to work with that type of change from Legacy type bioses! Yet if the manufacturer where it "Really Counts" has support for the older version as far as driver support for the hardwares you can run the older version on the brand new stuff as well as the latest! That's where to look! You first have to see what the company will be supporting and in some cases look into to seeing if they will support a particular previous version or not by direct inquiries
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  3.    24 May 2016 #83

    Navy, there is no denying that the very expensive, very souped-up Win 8.1 rig you describe would outperform a budget machine designed for Windows 10 (whenever one comes out). But that proves nothing-- a super souped-up Windows 7 rig will outperform a budget Windows 8.1 rig. And super souped-up Windows 98 rigs outperformed budget Windows ME rigs.

    And with computer power doubling roughly every 18 months, after three years that machine would only be middle of the road. That's why I advise most users to buy cheap laptops and middle-of-the-road desktops. By the time you can actually use all that high-tech power, you can buy a standard rig for much less.
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  4.    24 May 2016 #84
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vince Massi View Post
    Speaking of errors, I had posted the statement "The touchscreen software is part of the Windows OS..."

    NavyLCDR responded " Drivers are the responsibility of hardware manufacturers, not Microsoft. OP credibility rating now moving exponentially more negative."

    For those who came in late, a driver is a software program that is written. It tells a piece of hardware how to operate. A driver is not built by the manufacturer; it is not a piece of hardware. Dell, HP, Acer, etc., do not manufacture drivers.

    If you have a Windows machine with a touchscreen, the drivers are a written part of the Windows operating system. They are not a manufactured part of your machine.
    Wrong.. really. Let's say that you get a graphic card made by any big manufacture they do more than make the hardware. They also write the code that makes up the driver. When the driver is completed and tested it's sent to MS to be included in the OS for instillation when the OS is installed onto a PC.

    In the case of a touch screen the driver is written by the mfg. that designs and builds the hardware. MS does not write the software for the driver and that applies to all of the hardware.

    MS can't write all of the drivers for all of the hardware in existence as you are claiming. Let's say you need a driver for a keyboard.. I needed one to make my K-40 light up properly. I went to the Corsair site to get the driver not an MS site. They made the hardware and they know the requirements needed to make it work. That's why they write the driver.

    I really hope you stop posting this blatant misinformation.

    Jeff
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  5.    24 May 2016 #85
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vince Massi View Post
    Speaking of errors, I had posted the statement "The touchscreen software is part of the Windows OS..."

    NavyLCDR responded " Drivers are the responsibility of hardware manufacturers, not Microsoft. OP credibility rating now moving exponentially more negative."

    For those who came in late, a driver is a software program that is written. It tells a piece of hardware how to operate. A driver is not built by the manufacturer; it is not a piece of hardware. Dell, HP, Acer, etc., do not manufacture drivers.

    If you have a Windows machine with a touchscreen, the drivers are a written part of the Windows operating system. They are not a manufactured part of your machine.
    You are wrong again, as you have been told numerous times in this thread but you continue.

    For those who came in late, a driver is a software program that is written. It tells a piece of hardware how to operate. A driver is not built by the manufacturer; it is not a piece of hardware. Dell, HP, Acer, etc., do not manufacture drivers.
    First, I doubt if anyone here needs you to tell us what a driver is. Dell, Acer and HP also do not manufacturer hardware components, but they do rewrite the drivers from the manufacturers to modify them. Those component manufacturers the OEMs buy from are the manufacturers of the hardware and are the ones who write the drivers for them. The manufacturers of the hardware are responsible for writing drivers for that piece of hardware, not Microsoft.
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  6.    24 May 2016 #86

    http://www.laptopmag.com/articles/do...-screen-laptop

    Interesting article on why you should not buy a laptop with a touchscreen. You get a higher price with a poorer appearance, lower battery life, and more weight.

    Touchscreen? We don't need no stinkin' touchscreen! Not on a cheap laptop, anyway.

    Incidentally, I got this from the Microsoft website: "Windows will use your firmware and its own HID driver to enable touch and pointer capabilities for your device and furnish the Windows touch and pointer APIs with access to your device." Granted, that is only for windows 8, but the touchscreen drivers are part of the Windows operating system. They are not part of the manufacturer's system.
    Last edited by Vince Massi; 24 May 2016 at 20:26. Reason: Additional info.
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  7.    24 May 2016 #87
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    Exactly what does this mean?
    Windows will use your firmware and its own HID driver
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  8.    24 May 2016 #88
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vince Massi View Post
    ...
    but the touchscreen drivers are part of the Windows operating system. They are not part of the manufacturer's system.
    You writing a book Vince?
    Writers often research their topic first.

    Hardware drivers: Windows Hardware Certification - Windows Hardware Dev Center
    Windows hardware certification

    Windows hardware certification (aka Windows Logo Program for Hardware or WHQL) helps you build products that customers trust and want to buy. If you have new or updated drivers, systems, or peripheral hardware that you want available for Windows, then you must certify them. When you certify your products for Windows, you help create high-quality, end-to-end hardware experiences.
    Device OEMs (mice, Kbd, printers, scanners, monitors, disk controllers, network controllers, graphics controllers, USB controllers, ...) , write base drivers for the hardware. This software is written to the specs of the chip in the device and the OS they run under.
    There are drivers for Windows, drivers for Mac, drivers for Linux, ...

    PC manufacturers might modify a driver further, within the specs of the device - most don't

    Microsoft runs the hardware and driver against a fairly exhaustive test suite and when the driver is certified stable, it can be packaged with an OS or delivered by Windows Update. But MS only supplies the delivery mechanism.

    The only drivers MS supplies with an operating system are very base generic drivers that allow the OS to be installed (mouse, Kbd, Display, Disk/Disc, and USB 2.0) and updated (Ethernet).

    Windows has, for quite a while provided OEM drivers through Windows Update. With each OS, MS has improved the accurate identification of devices, thus delivering the best driver.

    MS has basically said to device mfgrs
    "Give us the device and the driver - we'll test it and we'll deliver the driver to the machines"
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  9.    25 May 2016 #89
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    *crawls into a fetal position* Make...it..stop...make..it..stop..
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  10.    25 May 2016 #90
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeaconFrost View Post
    *crawls into a fetal position* Make...it..stop...make..it..stop..
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