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  1. Joined : Nov 2013
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       25 Mar 2015 #31

    whs said: View Post
    There was also a trojan. If you like that on your machine, go ahead. I for my part do not install anything that has even 1 red flag.
    Do you really upload every single thing you download to get it checked by 45 different virus scanners and look for a red flag? Surely not.

    Common sense has worked for me for the last decade but go ahead if you want to be extra cautious.
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  2. Joined : Oct 2013
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       25 Mar 2015 #32

    adamf said: View Post
    Do you really upload every single thing you download to get it checked by 45 different virus scanners and look for a red flag? Surely not.

    Common sense has worked for me for the last decade but go ahead if you want to be extra cautious.
    Absolutely. And I download and check it in a virtual Linux machine. I would never install something that was not checked. This exercise takes only a couple of extra minutes and tells me what's going on. If you don't do it, you are up for surprises and fixing the damage may cost you a LOT more time.

    There are only 2 sites that I trust and those are Microsoft and Ninite. All the other sites are malware pits - even formerly very trustworthy sites like FileHippo. And even the AV program download sites are not always clean, although that is rare.
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  3. Joined : Jan 2014
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       25 Mar 2015 #33

    whs said: View Post
    Absolutely. And I download and check it in a virtual Linux machine. I would never install something that was not checked. This exercise takes only a couple of extra minutes and tells me what's going on. If you don't do it, you are up for surprises and fixing the damage may cost you a LOT more time.
    Even the ISO from MS??
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  4. Joined : Oct 2013
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       25 Mar 2015 #34

    BunnyJ said: View Post
    Even the ISO from MS??
    I edited the post above. See my edit.
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  5. Joined : Oct 2013
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       25 Mar 2015 #35

    whs said: View Post
    Security is a problem with Defender or any other AV program. Here is a scan of ImgBurn download from Filehippo.com a usually trusted site. The first picture shows the result from the MSE (Defender predecessor) scan and the second from Virus Total that scans with 60 different AV programs. Mind you that is exactly the same file.
    OpenCandy is not necessarily malware, it is an installer package that can carry cross marketing apps to generate revenue for the free app developer.

    The reason most AV pkgs flag it is because you cannot easily remove Open Candy. It should serve it's purpose and the disappear after the desired install is complete whether you chose to install the cross marketed package or not.

    Defender does the correct thing, in my opinion - it does NOT recognize Open Candy as a threat.

    Frequently Asked Questions - OpenCandy

    ... because you chose Open Candy as your example

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  6. Joined : Oct 2013
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       25 Mar 2015 #36

    1. Who wants open candy on their system - not me.
    2. Apart from the open candy, Defender also did not find the trojan plus an unwanted program and something I could not identify. How would you like that on your system ?
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  7. Joined : Nov 2013
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       25 Mar 2015 #37

    whs said: View Post
    Apart from the open candy, Defender also did not find the trojan plus an unwanted program and something I could not identify.
    No it didn't. Have another look at your picture - you only scanned one object. Some scanners (correctly) identify Open Candy as a program you may not want. That is what a PUP is. It isn't a Trojan. Or a virus. Their developers would argue it isn't malware at all but, no, I wouldn't install it.

    You do not just add up everything found on Virus Total to get some sort of grand total assuming all scanners are correct.

    Installation is blocked by Malwarebytes Pro incidentally.
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  8. Joined : Oct 2013
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       25 Mar 2015 #38

    whs said: View Post
    1. Who wants open candy on their system - not me.
    2. Apart from the open candy, Defender also did not find the trojan plus an unwanted program and something I could not identify. How would you like that on your system ?
    Ummm, neither did the other 59 scanners - so it seems to me that Dr.Web is reporting a false positive. Not every AV scanner is correct - there are some that report false positives on just about any file.

    I did look at the scanner in question - I've never heard of it before, but they've been in the malware business since 1992 (or so says the Russian software developer). I'm not casting dispersions, I think Kaspersky is one of the best A/V products out there.

    I have had too many debates on Open Candy to go any further here. Should they fix their product - yes!

    People run their machines they way they feel comfortable. You are a people too

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  9. Joined : Dec 2013
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       25 Mar 2015 #39

    My intention wasn't to turn this to an Anti-Virus argument/discussion but more to highlight the AV test in this instance is irrelevant to whether you use Windows 8 or 10 as your main OS as the results are the same on any OS.

    However, while on the subject, i myself have never had an issues with MSE/Defender and always use Filehippo as a MAIN source for getting software without issue.

    While it can't be a bad thing to scan everything you download against 40+ AV's it's certainly not a practice i will adopt.

    You mentioned Ninite, i use that too, it is a great tool for downloading and updating programs without any adware/bloatware included.

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  10. Joined : Nov 2013
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       25 Mar 2015 #40

    JDobbsy1987 said: View Post
    Interestingly my plan use the latest Windows 10 build as my main OS, i am going to do this tonight
    Did you then or not yet?
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