Windows 10: Windows10 running in selective mode vs. normal mode

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  1. Posts : 4
    Windows10 Pro 64-bit
       17 Apr 2016 #1

    Windows10 running in selective mode vs. normal mode


    There have been many posts on the internet about why Windows10 runs in selective mode and will not run in normal mode. Here is the reason, when loading a driver other than one Windows has determined is the best it changes the Windows configuration mode from normal to selective and will not revert back to normal mode.

    The proof: I did a clean install of Windows10 Pro 64-bit. When logging in for the first time the display driver is the Windows default. I loaded the network driver next, checked the Windows configuration and it was normal. Once there was connection to the internet, Windows went out and automatically loaded the best display driver for my display adapter, an nVidia GTx 750. I noticed the driver version was an older version from November 2015. I checked properties and selected update driver, Windows came back stating the best driver was loaded. I then went to nVidia's website and updated the display driver. Bam, as soon as the reboot occurred Windows configuration mode went to Selective Mode and would not go back into Normal Mode. Once this happened I had to reinstall Windows10 again as a clean install.

    So, the bottom line is this. Windows wants to run the system drivers it determines to be best for your system. Should you update a system driver that has not be sanctioned by Microsoft, Windows10 will run in Selective Mode. Since I had to reinstall Windows10, I have only been running the system drivers Windows has loaded. I am now going through all the updates, so this may change.

    I did not load any of the chipset drivers and only loaded the network adapter driver from the CD that came with my motherboard.

    I am still experimenting with loading system drivers and updates. Should anything change I will update the post.
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  2. Posts : 689
    WinX Pro x64 IP v14986
       17 Apr 2016 #2

    Interesting. I have a laptop I just installed IP build 14316 and is pristine. I will check this out myself and see if it occurs on my end as well.
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  3.    17 Apr 2016 #3

    I thought it was always like that.
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  4.    17 Apr 2016 #4

    Doesn't Windows 10 manage ALL upgrades such as drivers, updates ect.?
    So this isn't like windows 7 where YOU could selectivity upgrade this stuff
    on your own.
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  5.    17 Apr 2016 #5

    msny said: View Post
    Doesn't Windows 10 manage ALL upgrades such as drivers, updates ect.?
    So this isn't like windows 7 where YOU could selectivity upgrade this stuff
    on your own.
    You can still manually upgrade drivers in Win 10.
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  6. Posts : 4
    Windows10 Pro 64-bit
    Thread Starter
       17 Apr 2016 #6

    Update: I have checked other computers running Windows10 from Lenovo, HP, and others. I found that all of them are running in Selective Mode. Since most computer/laptop manufactures are customizing their product, they change something that Windows detects as different and then runs in Selective Mode. Therefore, running in Selective Mode is otherwise normal.

    Selective Mode is nothing more than running a selected or modified Windows configuration that is different from what Windows10 would run as default. So it is perfectly normal for an HP, Lenovo, or Dell computer to be running in Selective Mode.

    I am still testing to see if loading software might change the mode, such as loading antivirus software that replaces Windwos Defender. So far loading Norton Internet Security has not changed the Windows configuration startup mode. Right now it appears to be isolated to system drivers, though which drivers and why are still a guess. Loading the latest nVidia drivers for my display adapter caused Windows10 to run in Selective Mode. However, loading the latest Realtek audio driver for my motherboard did not change the mode. I suspect the driver needs to be of a certain version/level that Microsoft approves of or is date sensitive.

    Also, I have not loaded the chipset drivers as Windows10 appears to be using its own chipset drivers. Be careful, if you update a driver and it changes the startup mode, simply rolling back the driver may not allow Windows10 to run in Normal Mode. I had to reinstall Windows10 after updating my display driver and attempting to roll back the driver.

    For my nVidia GTx 750 display adapter the driver that Windows10 downloaded is 10.18.13.5891 dated 11/05/2015 any newer driver will cause Windows10 to run in Selective Mode.

    For Realtek audio, driver 6.0.1.7730 dated 1/26/2016 is compatible.

    For ethernet my motherboard uses Killer e2000 gigabit ethernet controller, driver 8.0.2.42 dated 3/20/2013 and is compatible. I am going to try and update the driver and will report back.
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  7.    18 Apr 2016 #7

    Since XP selective mode is turned on every time any changes to startup are made. In Normal mode every startup item is started at BOOT and in Diagnostic Startup only most necessary services, drivers and programs. Sometimes also referred as Clean BOOT.
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  8.    18 Apr 2016 #8

    Windows10 running in selective mode vs. normal mode


    This might sound dumb but what is the difference? I had not noticed selective mode or normal mode, is there any real difference in performance or capabilities.
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  9.    18 Apr 2016 #9

    dmesal said: View Post
    This might sound dumb but what is the difference? I had not noticed selective mode or normal mode, is there any real difference in performance or capabilities.
    You'll find them in "msconfig". If you turn anything off from starting you get Selective mode where you select programs and services to autostart at BOOT.
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  10. Posts : 4
    Windows10 Pro 64-bit
    Thread Starter
       18 Apr 2016 #10

    I think we can put this to bed now, here is my final take on Selective Mode vs. Normal Mode. Windows10 will switch to Selective Mode when a system driver is at a version level not verified or approved by Microsoft. For example, updating my display driver to the latest version caused Windows10 to switch into Selective Mode. Once Windows10 switches to Selective Mode, as far as I have tested, it will not go back into Normal Mode. I suspect this has to do with the Registry changing due to upgrading a system driver. So, after leaving things alone and letting Windows10 select the drivers Windows10 stayed in Normal Mode. I then upgraded my network adapter driver and bam, Windows10 switch to Selective Mode and would not revert back to Normal Mode even after rolling back the driver.

    Running in Selective Mode is, basically, no different than running in Normal Mode. So if you should notice your computer running in Selective Mode it means there is a system driver that Microsoft has not yet approved, verified, recognized, or provided by Microsoft. As long as your computer is running without problems, everything is just fine.

    As a side note, I did contact Microsoft support on this issue. As far as Microsoft is concerned Windows10 should run in Normal Mode. They can't or won't explain why Windows10 is running in Selective Mode, nor will they tell you it is ok. Microsoft technical support provides very basic support, nothing too complicated, and can't really help for more involved issues. As an IT professional I found Microsoft support to be condescending as they assume the customer knows nothing and they don't listen very well. Microsoft support would much rather remote in to your machine than provided an explanation or talk you through a resolution. And, once Microsoft determines your copy of Windows is an OEM version, not the retail version, they abruptly stop giving you support.

    So there you have it, Selective Mode is ok as long as no problems with your computer. You may find your Windows10 computer may be running in Selective Mode if it is from HP, Lenovo, Dell, Toshiba, ASUS, MSI, or any other computer manufacture as most of these manufactures install system drivers designed for their respective systems.

    My next post will be on using SSD and a hard drive together, stay tuned.
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