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  1. Joined : Jul 2015
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    Windows 10 Pro (64 bit)
       07 Apr 2016 #1

    Task scheduler


    Does anyone know how often the app update task schedule runs? And how to change it? I have auto app updates switched off but I know the update checker still runs. As I will sometimes open store and see app updates waiting to be manually downloaded.

    I'm not saying the above is the reason but our laptop is having what appeasr to be an issue every 24 hours approx. using MS account related data. Everything will be fine for all our user accounts but then after about a day we will switch on and be presented with problems signing into Groove, Films and TV, Cortana not showing interests, settings for family showing red and unavailable, long delays loading data when going into Store, delays waiting for Weather app to fully load/retrieve, Photos app not logging in, even Outlook.com slow to reach within IE and Edge. I then need to wait 10 - 30 minutes before MS account related activity will spring into life. Then suddenly everything will be fine (even across reboots) for about another day until the cycle starts over. It's not as if windows is slow to login when this is happening, it loads in nice and fast. Apps even load just fine during this delay period, as for example Photos app opens up immediately displaying our pics but we just don't show as logged in at the bottom left. Same with Films and TV app. But Apps that rely on MS data such as Weather and Store often open up with white screen and spinning blue dots waiting to receive data. It's a really frustrating issue. It affects every user account on the laptop too (accounts have been deleted and recreated but the problem persists). The User accounts are not on the same cycle when displaying this problem. Kind of hard to explain but say my account is now fine using MS account related data, my wife will login more than a day since her last login and she will get all the problems and need to wait 10 - 30 mins. If she logs out back and I log in then my account will be absolutely fine. Back to hers but the problem persists and she must wait it out. So the user accounts are on different schedules regarding this problem. If that makes sense.

    I must stress that during the problematic times all non MS account related activity will be absolutely fine. We can browse happily, use the network, software like Steam and iTunes are happily using the internet and it's all real fast as we have a fast ISP service. It's just anything reliant/tied to MS account login that is affected.

    There has to be some task scheduled that is causing this. At first I was blaming MS servers. But we don't have the same problem on our desktop so I am thinking some kind of task is clogging things right up.
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  2. Joined : Jan 2015
    UK, Midlands
    Posts : 6,590
    Win 10 Pro (1607)
       07 Apr 2016 #2

    Hi, did you post this on the PCSpecialist forum?

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    You can check yours from that..

    Have you also considered Sync settings? (There is a task scheduler entry Settingsync, but I'm not sure how to read it).
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  3. Joined : Jul 2015
    Posts : 1,102
    Windows 10 Pro (64 bit)
       07 Apr 2016 #3

    Thanks. Yes I did post on there. I guess it reaches a wider audience on here though. Although I look at task scheduler I don't really know how to read it. I wasn't able get that view but I will definetely have a very close look now. I'm pretty convinced it's a task causing all my grief. I'll try and find sync settings too and see how I get on. I'm determined to get to the bottom of it. The issue is pretty much destroying any fondness our family was hoping to build up for the laptop. I do have a high spec desktop (which runs fine with no real issues) but this laptop is prob going to get most use being mobile and all so we really want to get it firing on all cylinders. I just worry about disabling a task which is system critical and will just cause me more grief so I think I need to tread very carefully

    i really want to avoid repairing or resetting Windows as it's going to take a lot to get back to where I was
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  4. Joined : Jan 2015
    UK, Midlands
    Posts : 6,590
    Win 10 Pro (1607)
       07 Apr 2016 #4

    If you ever have to (and I'm not at all convinced in this case) an in-place upgrade repair install is quite painless from a functional point of view for the most part.

    I replied to the post on PC Specialist forum.. maybe you didn't have email notifications on. (I was posting sthg there for myself - no answers, nor to the same post here! and just happened to see it).
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  5. Joined : Jul 2015
    Posts : 1,102
    Windows 10 Pro (64 bit)
       07 Apr 2016 #5

    Ok cool. No I need to switch that on! I saw a response but missed your one. Apologies. Good to see your a fan of PC specialist too. I used to buy from dell / Alienware but am delighted I made the transition. Alienware prices are off the charts!
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  6. Joined : Jan 2015
    UK, Midlands
    Posts : 6,590
    Win 10 Pro (1607)
       07 Apr 2016 #6

    Mm, I'm quite happy with the laptop.. and the service.. except the USB ports are located to the front on the sides- and cables would foul the mouse and DVD drive. If they were towards the hinge, it would be better. But a great screen! Wanted the SSD/HDD mix, so Curry's was out this time (where I was forced to buy my last when my ASUS died (again) after 2-3 years.
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  7. Joined : Jul 2015
    Posts : 1,102
    Windows 10 Pro (64 bit)
       07 Apr 2016 #7

    Was yours a cosmos too? It looks our specs are identical except for two wiser decisions on your part - Windows 10 pro instead of home and your HD setup. I wish I'd gone pure SSD. Instead I got the seagate hybrid SSHD 1 TB. it's disappointing, I think in hindsight only 8 gb SSD cache is stingy, it's better than relying on mechanical and boot is pretty good but it doesn't feel super slick. I was trying to keep it all under £600 but maybe should of just spent the extra! Have to agree on the screen, like it a lot and the laptop looks nice in a simple way. I used to have an Alienware laptop for gaming but I grew to dislike all the lights etc

    i hit a brick wall on the task scheduler, I could see nothing that was stuck running that could be considered to blame. I had the same issue with MS account related apps just a while ago. It took the laptop 10-15 mins to get the data from MS to show cortana interests for example. During this time I watched the task manager to check cpu usage and ram usage. Both were low and nothing to worry about (cpu bobbing from 1 to 5% at most). So pretty stuck again, I'm back to thinking the MS server it's trying to go through is just total garbage but trying to get MS attention onto it is going to be impossible and they prob wouldn't care if one little server in their empire was a bit naff. The way the laptop sits their appearing to be waiting for data from MS makes me wonder on this. It's the only explanation I can reach at the moment. The only other far fetched theory is Windows 10 doesn't play nice with the SSHD caching but I very much doubt it. The fact the laptop functions brilliantly for all internet activity (non ms related) and networking again points me towards blaming servers

    my options now I think are:
    1. wait for next cumulative update as it will be the laptops first one since initial setup - I'm guessing next Tuesday could be delivery day (I know they don't officially follow patch Tuesday but they seem to be releasing on these still). You never know it could do some miracle
    2. Maybe faststart is a culprit. Unlikely but I could experiment with turning this off. Rather not as I like the very quick boot it gives
    3. if that fails, then try and get on a live chat with ms support, try and make them consider if its a server issue - I did tweet them but they sounded disinterested. Trouble is MS will try and clean install Windows as that seems to be their mantra for any problem
    4. Try the in place repair/upgrade - gulp! I know you said it's pretty painless but it does worry me nonetheless
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  8. Joined : Jan 2015
    UK, Midlands
    Posts : 6,590
    Win 10 Pro (1607)
       08 Apr 2016 #8

    Hi, I kept it under £600- note it's i3 not i7 etc.. which is a good enough upgrade on a 6 year-old AMD HP laptop. I don't play big games..
    Found a £15 voucher on the net. Could have saved by having 1Tb HDD rather than SSHD, and the lower spec RAM.

    Usual 12s or so cold boot to lock screen, although I have to wait 30s or so after that- I have a number of small things starting up + the other usual things, and of course it runs cool and quiet. 256Gb was the price break, but if you wait a while you should be able to get 500Gb at a better price and add it if you wanted. (Someone posted about 4Tb SSDs at $500 or so a while back).

    Had a problem which they thought BIOS/UEFI related with Virtualisation, so PC Specialist RMA's it to check, no difficulty. In fact it was an obscure software issue. The BIOS settings are much more restricted than I'd expected.. Hitting F7 at startup to select very obscurely labelled boot options is weird, but it works (e.g. to boot from a CD).

    Here are my notes on in-place upgrade: You can be secure if you images your disk before you do it.. so you can always revert. (It's a lot faster with a SSD).

    An In-place upgrade repair install will fix many things, but not those where the settings are not changed by the procedure.

    For this you need an installation medium with the same base build as you have installed.
    Repair Install Windows 10 with an In-place Upgrade - Windows 10 Forums
    This will refresh Windows, after the manner of a Windows installation.
    - all/most associations will be unchanged
    - all your programs will be left installed
    - you will lose any custom fonts
    - you will lose any customised system icons
    - you may need to re-establish your Wi-Fi connection
    - you will need to redo Windows updates subsequent to the build you have used for the repair install
    - Windows.old will be created
    - system restore will be turned off- you should turn it on again and I recommend you manually schedule a daily restore point.
    - you will need to redo any language downloads including the display language if you changed that)

    This is one of the better features of Win10: as each major build comes out, that's your updated reference build, and as updates are mostly cumulative, there will be few to do.

    Recommendation:
    Before you perform this major repair procedure, do create a disk image.

    Please consider using disk imaging regularly. It's a brilliant way to
    - preserve your system (and your sanity)
    - back up your data
    - restore your system to a previously working state in a relatively short time

    Recommended: Macrium Reflect or Aomei Backupper (free) + their boot disk/device + large enough external storage medium.
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  9. Joined : Jul 2015
    Posts : 1,102
    Windows 10 Pro (64 bit)
       08 Apr 2016 #9

    When doing the in place upgrade did you need to tweak anything prior? Such as fast start needing to be off or UEFI (not that I know what this is)? I am sure at one time or another I've seen references to that
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  10. Joined : Jan 2015
    UK, Midlands
    Posts : 6,590
    Win 10 Pro (1607)
       08 Apr 2016 #10

    No, nothing special to do.. but even 'tho it's relatively safe, do use disk imaging to protect yourself.
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