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  1.    05 Apr 2016 #21
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Phelps View Post
    Thanks much for the FF release link!
    No problem Mark. I hope it can be of some use.
    It can be a bit of a pain to navigate around but everything is there.
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  2.    05 Apr 2016 #22
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    dual boot W10 10586th2/14291 rs1 Win. Insider since Jan. 2015

    ksdixon
    I Have two identical Surface Pro tablets in front of me. One on Win8 and one on Win10.


    Win10 version has issues playing flash videos in Firefox. Videos are just a black screen.
    This happens on a fresh profile, and after a Win10 reset this pc.


    Since flash plays perfectly fine on Win8+FireFox combination I'm just going to use that, and stop it updating to the later builds which are currently in Nighly channel so that I retain access to addons in a working condition.
    Quote Originally Posted by DeaconFrost View Post
    Chrome has an impressive amount of add-ons, and always runs better for me than FireFox. To each his own, but it still isn't a good reason to change operating systems.

    Right Chrome is my default browser of Choice along with Google search on all the browsers here & for Chrome in my Sony Andoid TV.

    I have Firefox without the Flash plug in anyway its insecure and the Flash updates are always trying to hijack something anyway and a lot of the web is moving up to HTML5 or using both .

    If I'm using F/F now and then and I come across a flash only video I want to see and it wont play because I don't want the Flash NPAPI/ Mozilla plug in I just spin up another browser anyway usually Chrome or sometimes Edge.
    and Flash is for sure dying anyway Adobe doesn't even want it anymore

    I sure wouldn't go back to a train wreck like Windows 8.1 for all that and like DeaconFrost said here F/F is probably dying and I'm not knocking F/F I actually like it outside of Flash anyway
    Last edited by blutos cousin; 05 Apr 2016 at 20:44.
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  3.    05 Apr 2016 #23
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    Quote Originally Posted by blutos cousin View Post
    davidhk





    Right Chrome is my default browser of Choice along with Google search on all the browsers here & for Chrome in my Sony Andoid TV.

    I have Firefox without the Flash plug in anyway its insecure and the Flash updates are always trying to hijack something anyway and a lot of the web is moving up to HTML5 or using both .

    If I'm using F/F now and then and I come across a flash only video I want to see and it wont play because I don't want the Flash NPAPI/ Mozilla plug in I just spin up another browser anyway usually Chrome or sometimes Edge.
    and Flash is for sure dying anyway Adobe doesn't even want it anymore

    I sure wouldn't go back to a train wreck like Windows 8.1 for all that and like somebody said here F/F is probably dying and I'm not knocking F/F I actually like it outside of Flash anyway
    Why did you reply to me ?
    None of the quotes you posted belongs to me.
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  4.    05 Apr 2016 #24
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidhk View Post
    Why did you reply to me ?
    None of the quotes you posted belongs to me.
    must have copy /paste something wrong I'll fix all that

    All fixed now thanks for letting me know
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  5.    05 Apr 2016 #25
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    Thanks DooGie


    Quote Originally Posted by DooGie View Post
    I always go here for Firefox releases Directory Listing: /pub/firefox/
    Thanks for that link.
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  6.    06 Apr 2016 #26

    Just to update everyone.

    Chrome vs FireFox:
    I dislike Chrome's visual appearence, and the idea of Google's spying. For all of Chrome's supposed speed, I have never seen it run better than FF, and in some cases Chrome chugged under the load of tabs/gifs/videos I have open. I tend to go down a forum page, middle-mouse-click any threads that look interesting, end up with like 60 tabs open, read them, relaod them, and then read what's new since I opened the tab. I am also pretty sure that whilst Chrome has addons, it wouldn't have the right addons to do everything I do in FF between addons, userscripts and stylish tweaks. I mean just look at this lot up-top, and that's without looking into my hamburger menu:

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    Win8 vs Win10; Flash
    Now, with regard to Windows 8.1 vs Windows 10. This is the same FF profile on both machines, copied onto a USB drive, replacing the fresh install of FF's default profile folder contents etc. So everything is set-up as I like it. Thus, I know I have the exact same version of FF and the exact same versions of the various addons in play on both machines. The only thing that has changed is the operating system. Flash works on Win8.1, and not on Win10. Yes I know Flash is depreciated, but just because YouTube uses HTML5 doesn't mean that countless other video sites on the web also use HTML5 yet.

    Everything else on Win10 works, except Flash. In order to get Flash working I have to go from normal FF release channel, version 45, all the way to Nightly release channel, version 48. God knows when that will make it's way down to the normal FF channel, could be like 6 months from now. Of course using this early version of Nightly breaks other addons which I consider to be dealbreakers. So whilst Flash works, I need the addons as they are integral to the way I use FF. I currently find myself jumping back and forth between FF and Nightly, depending on if I need my addons for general browsing, or I need Flash. I suppose I will check out a FF fork like PaleMoon though, as a possible temporary solution for this Win10 machine, and wait for that Nightly build to release as regular FF, with the hope that addon developers will support the then-current release, whereas at the moment Nightly compatability is asking a little too much.

    I have no idea why Flash is busted on current FF for me, specifically on Win10. But like I said, it happens in FF safe mode, on a new profile, after a win10 reset this pc, even on a fresh Windows 10 user profile (local admin verses my current microsoft account admin) etc... so it's not something I've done. It appears to be down to the combination of FF and Win10.
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  7.    06 Apr 2016 #27
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    Quote Originally Posted by ksdixon View Post
    idea of Google's spying
    *facepalm* I don't really have a comment about that because, if you can't say something nice.... Anyway, I hope I'm wrong and that was just a comment made in jest.

    Yet another reason to prefer Chrome over Firefox...Flash is incorporated.
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  8.    07 Apr 2016 #28

    Lo and behold, it was a Windows 10 problem.

    As far as I remember upgrading from Win8.1 caused the flash problem.

    Performing a 'Reset This PC' didn't fix it, and after I'd done that once Win10 wouldn't let me do it again, apparently it had messed itself-up behind the scenes.

    Used the 'Media Create Tool' to download a fresh Win10 iso, rather than resetting the PC, and re-upgraded to Win10 from within Win10.

    Flash in Firefox on Windows 10 is now fixed and working as I always expected it to.

    I'm disturbed the problem didn't right itself with a 'Reset This PC', and annoyed that MS's catch-all fix of resetting the pc doesn't work once you use it once.
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  9.    07 Apr 2016 #29
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    Quote Originally Posted by ksdixon View Post
    Lo and behold, it was a Windows 10 problem.

    As far as I remember upgrading from Win8.1 caused the flash problem.

    Performing a 'Reset This PC' didn't fix it, and after I'd done that once Win10 wouldn't let me do it again, apparently it had messed itself-up behind the scenes.

    Used the 'Media Create Tool' to download a fresh Win10 iso, rather than resetting the PC, and re-upgraded to Win10 from within Win10.

    Flash in Firefox on Windows 10 is now fixed and working as I always expected it to.

    I'm disturbed the problem didn't right itself with a 'Reset This PC', and annoyed that MS's catch-all fix of resetting the pc doesn't work once you use it once.
    How could Windows 10 be the problem if doing a repair install of Windows 10 fixed it? Windows 10 wasn't the problem unless doing the repair install of Windows 10 was an upgrade to a newer build of Windows 10 than you had before and the problem was in the previous build that you upgraded from. Did you have build 10240 before and now you have build 10586? I remember that I think it was under build 10240 flash videos would only be a green square unless I turned hardware acceleration off, but build 10586 fixed that.
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  10.    07 Apr 2016 #30

    How could doing a Media Creation Tool upgrade fix it and not a Reset This PC upgrade? Aren't they both supposed to fetch a clean version of the the latest Win10 iso from MS servers?

    All I know is that Win10 was the culprit, and once I got a Media Creation Tool upgrade on, everything was back to working as expected.
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