Windows 10: Windows 10 destroyed my pc

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  1.    16 Mar 2016 #11

    The KB is now in the garbage

    It seems like I got the network back again with the new install. Just have to wait for all updates to be installed.

    Thanks again for the help guys

    I will go for wire KB and mouse next time.


    Petter
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    Windows 10 Insider Preview Build 17083
       16 Mar 2016 #12

    bro67 said: View Post
    Wireless Keyboards also need the Legacy USB setting enabled in the bios, since some will not work if that is off. Also some wireless keyboards will not work at all in the Bios, because the mfg never thinks about that with the hardware for the receiver and the keyboard.

    This is why I stick with a wired keyboard, along with the fact that a wired keyboard cannot be sniffed by someone looking for a wireless keyboard signal.
    I can't remember how many years I've used wireless keyboards and mice. I don't remember ever having to use a Legacy USB setting with my keyboard or mouse. They just work.

    A small history of USB:

    USB was invented and developed by Ajay Bhatt at Intel in 1996. Version 1.0 wasn't all that great, had bugs and ran at 12 Mbps. The release of USB 1.1 took care of the bugs and was a bit better with two speeds: 1.5 Mbps or 12 Mbps; still rather slow in today's world.

    Then in April 2000, along came "high speed" USB 2.0! Rated at 40 times faster than USB 1.1, it runs at 480 Mbps or 57 megabytes per second. Using the same cables and hardware as USB 1.1, USB 2.0 maintains backwards compatibility with older devices. IOW, a USB 1.1 keyboard or mouse should work with USB 2.0. If you want, you can even plug a USB 2.0 device into a USB 1.1 hub and it most likely will work.

    The newest standard is USB 3.0, which runs at 400 megabytes per second while still maintaining backward compatibility with older 2.0 and 1.1 devices. Now, if you want the full speed of USB 3.0, you'll have to have a USB 3.0 device and a USB 3.0 cable to connect to your USB 3.0 capable computer.

    So, at this point, there's no reason to worry about a wireless keyboard not working with USB any.version. That is unless you might have a really, really, really old wireless keyboard that will only work with USB 1.0.
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  3.    16 Mar 2016 #13

    Thanks for the info about USB.
    That gave me even more good feelings for throwing it away. It had to be destroyed.
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  4.    16 Mar 2016 #14

    Wynona said: View Post
    I can't remember how many years I've used wireless keyboards and mice. I don't remember ever having to use a Legacy USB setting with my keyboard or mouse. They just work.

    A small history of USB:

    USB was invented and developed by Ajay Bhatt at Intel in 1996. Version 1.0 wasn't all that great, had bugs and ran at 12 Mbps. The release of USB 1.1 took care of the bugs and was a bit better with two speeds: 1.5 Mbps or 12 Mbps; still rather slow in today's world.

    Then in April 2000, along came "high speed" USB 2.0! Rated at 40 times faster than USB 1.1, it runs at 480 Mbps or 57 megabytes per second. Using the same cables and hardware as USB 1.1, USB 2.0 maintains backwards compatibility with older devices. IOW, a USB 1.1 keyboard or mouse should work with USB 2.0. If you want, you can even plug a USB 2.0 device into a USB 1.1 hub and it most likely will work.

    The newest standard is USB 3.0, which runs at 400 megabytes per second while still maintaining backward compatibility with older 2.0 and 1.1 devices. Now, if you want the full speed of USB 3.0, you'll have to have a USB 3.0 device and a USB 3.0 cable to connect to your USB 3.0 capable computer.

    So, at this point, there's no reason to worry about a wireless keyboard not working with USB any.version. That is unless you might have a really, really, really old wireless keyboard that will only work with USB 1.0.


    You are way behind the times Wynona. USB 3.1 has been out for a couple of years now and it is lighting fast.

    USB 3.1 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Windows 10 Insider Preview Build 17083
       16 Mar 2016 #15

    Rocky said: View Post
    You are way behind the times Wynona. USB 3.1 has been out for a couple of years now and it is lighting fast.

    USB 3.1 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Good grief, how did I miss that one?

    BTW, are there any USB 3 or 3.1 keyboards and mice? :)
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       16 Mar 2016 #16

    Wynona said: View Post
    Good grief, how did I miss that one?

    BTW, are there any USB 3 or 3.1 keyboards and mice? :)
    Not yet. The USB 3.x adapters are screwball. You have the normal USB piece and then above it is a smaller version. They did that to use two TX/RX at the same time. That is how they got around the limitations of USB, which is getting very outdated at this point. Intel's Thunderbolt is the next generation of connections, since it will hit up to 40 gbps. The only units that have USB 3 is Mac's. USB-C is supposed to save Thunderbolt, because of course Microsoft is forcing manufacturers to stick with USB, which is not going to get any better after C.
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       16 Mar 2016 #17

    Wynona, some of us have been around long enough to remember when the original mouse came out, and that you actually had to write your own boot loaders. USB was created to make a one connection fits all. Because users want faster, you are seeing Apple using USB-C and USB 3.x/Super Speed connections, along with Intel's Thunderbolt. Thunderbolt is backwards compatible with USB-C, but is mainly for driving 4k/UHD displays and connecting data devices like Pocket drives. USB 3.x will be backwards compatible, but very few devices are out for that, since the connection is a proprietary connector that adds a smaller plug on top of the normal USB plug. It is so you are actually using two TX/RX communication signals at the same time to get the faster speed.
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    Windows 10 Insider Preview Build 17083
       16 Mar 2016 #18

    bro67 said: View Post
    Wynona, some of us have been around long enough to remember when the original mouse came out, and that you actually had to write your own boot loaders. USB was created to make a one connection fits all. Because users want faster, you are seeing Apple using USB-C and USB 3.x/Super Speed connections, along with Intel's Thunderbolt. Thunderbolt is backwards compatible with USB-C, but is mainly for driving 4k/UHD displays and connecting data devices like Pocket drives. USB 3.x will be backwards compatible, but very few devices are out for that, since the connection is a proprietary connector that adds a smaller plug on top of the normal USB plug. It is so you are actually using two TX/RX communication signals at the same time to get the faster speed.
    I remember the mouse on the very new Xerox dedicated word processor! I was only the second one to train on it. Mr. Mouse was round and you had to stroke him to get him to move. He was built into the keyboard, something like the "mouse" on laptop keyboards. I don't recall that there was a "clicker" though. You just stroked the mouse until he was in the place where you wanted to type next. Sheesh, that's been a long, long, long time ago!
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