Windows 10: Win10? Having Problems? It's YOUR fault - so it seems.

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  1. Posts : 47
    Win10 Home v.1607 Build 14393.693
       11 Mar 2016 #1

    Win10? Having Problems? It's YOUR fault - so it seems.


    According to an Insider on my rather tongue-in-cheek thread here

    http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/w...b-0595bf359b33 (link is external)

    all the problems I'm having - you too - are OUR fault. Your fault, my fault and anyone other than Microsoft's fault!!

    I'm losing that match 0-1 at the moment so if you've time to pop in and comment that would be good!

    As my alter ego Victor Meldrew would say "I don't believe it!"
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  2. Posts : 47
    Win10 Home v.1607 Build 14393.693
       11 Mar 2016 #2

    Must change my signature


    PS My NEW Win10 laptop was screwed up by the January WUs - I lost my Start icon - and all of my documents and pictures (all backed-up). The February and March 1st WUs also caused collateral damage and I still checking this week's WUs.

    And it's my fault for not adequately preparing?

    By the way I very much respect the Insider concerned - he's been very helpful ad he knows his stuff - but on this we disagree

    Edited - I'll change my signature tomorrow. I've got 10586.164
    Last edited by Taffy078; 11 Mar 2016 at 12:11. Reason: update re signature
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  3.    11 Mar 2016 #3

    Hi, unfortunately I'm not sure what you're asking (no I've not read the thread, just going by the title which might not attract so many views).

    Suggestion- as Win 10 is evidently immature and vulnerable in some respects - but very stable for me and many others I guess- you need to act defensively. Inasamuch as you don't prepare for problems, it is 'your' fault.

    Here's how:
    1. use system restore (disabled by default in win 10).
    Set up a scheduled task to set a daily restore point.
    2. use disk imaging and update your image regularly/at key points.
    That gives you
    - backups
    - a second chance
    - quick restoration without tech help
    - the ability to deal with your disk failing or replacing/upgrading it

    That addresses
    And it's my fault for not adequately preparing?
    at least.. tho' it may not be the answer you were hoping for..
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  4.    11 Mar 2016 #4

    I am running Windows 10 in a virtual partition and that seems to be OK. Maybe the problems people have come from faulty drivers. In virtual you would not have that problem.
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  5. Posts : 47
    Win10 Home v.1607 Build 14393.693
       12 Mar 2016 #5

    dalchina said: View Post
    Hi, unfortunately I'm not sure what you're asking (no I've not read the thread, just going by the title which might not attract so many views).

    Suggestion- as Win 10 is evidently immature and vulnerable in some respects - but very stable for me and many others I guess- you need to act defensively. Inasamuch as you don't prepare for problems, it is 'your' fault.

    Here's how:
    1. use system restore (disabled by default in win 10).
    Set up a scheduled task to set a daily restore point.
    2. use disk imaging and update your image regularly/at key points.
    That gives you
    - backups
    - a second chance
    - quick restoration without tech help
    - the ability to deal with your disk failing or replacing/upgrading it

    That addresses
    And it's my fault for not adequately preparing?
    at least.. tho' it may not be the answer you were hoping for..
    Thanks for this but I daren't try any other workaround at the moment - it's been suggested that that will invalidate the guarantee on my three months-old laptop. I waiting for HP to get back.

    Briefly a reply from an Insider said this amongst other things:

    "There have been well over 100,000,000 installations at this point, and of the number of people who have had problems, a significant proportion has brought the problems on themselves in one way or another. Microsoft hasn't done enough to warn people of the risks inherent in in-place OS upgrades, but too many people have failed to prepare properly. Ignorance of the populace isn't Microsoft's fault in the end."

    I'm waiting for his reply to these questions of mine:

    "(1) Did Microsoft release version 1511 on the unsuspecting public knowing that it was full of bugs that had been pointed out to them by their experts six months earlier (as reported in other forums), bugs that had not been ironed out? Yes or No.
    (2) What steps could new customers have possibly taken per your comments "has brought the problems on themselves in one way or another . . . but too many people have failed to prepare properly." or to put it in plain English, how can anyone know what they don't know?
    (3) Does Microsoft know how many PC have been screwed up by this Win10 debacle - preferably broken down oops, split between new and upgrades? 'If they haven't got this info how can they possibly look at solutions?"
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  6.    12 Mar 2016 #6

    If your comment is about 1511, that was November last year. And yes, the well-known problems (and subsequently for different reasons) in upgrading from the previous build were (at least)
    - associations being reset to MS default
    - system restore being turned off
    - for a few, desktop content being lost
    - sometimes programs uninstalled without warning where these were deemed incompatible

    The strong recommendation before such major upgrades is to ensure you create or update your disk image.

    However that does somewhat imply that
    a. you had control of Windows updates
    b. knew that particular update used an entirely new procedure (which in fact has its definite merits and is one thing I regard as an advantage).

    By default, the update would be applied automatically. Which I definitely regard as undesirable.

    Given that, it's very hard to know how people in general would have been adequately aware, and hence potentially able to prepare.

    ===============
    Since MS does not set a restore point before updates in Win 10 (system restore is off by default) again where things go wrong your only recourse would be an in-place upgrade repair install. Which is not sthg of which you are instinctively aware.

    Otherwise (for non major build upgrades) if you happen to have enabled system restore and have restore points available, that would work.

    Otherwise, you have either
    - used Win 10's rather minimal image creation
    or
    - used a 3rd party program (disk imaging or sthg like Farstone Total Recovery or Rollback RX)

    It is certainly not correct that all problems experienced are solely to do with users making silly decisions or mistakes.

    For example, setting hyperlink defaults requires manual action. Setting defaults as MS expects does not include that.

    Changing some privacy settings results in strange behaviour and the widely reported 'Some settings are managed by your organisation' and can sometimes break Cortana in mysterious ways.

    Sometimes default associations are reset for various odd reasons, nothing to do with user errors. Sthg I'd not been aware of prior to Win 10.

    Etc Etc
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  7. Posts : 47
    Win10 Home v.1607 Build 14393.693
       12 Mar 2016 #7

    dalchina said: View Post
    If your comment is about 1511, that was November last year. And yes, the well-known problems (and subsequently for different reasons) in upgrading from the previous build were (at least)
    - associations being reset to MS default
    - system restore being turned off
    - for a few, desktop content being lost
    - sometimes programs uninstalled without warning where these were deemed incompatible

    The strong recommendation before such major upgrades is to ensure you create or update your disk image.

    However that does somewhat imply that
    a. you had control of Windows updates
    b. knew that particular update used an entirely new procedure (which in fact has its definite merits and is one thing I regard as an advantage).

    By default, the update would be applied automatically. Which I definitely regard as undesirable.

    Given that, it's very hard to know how people in general would have been adequately aware, and hence potentially able to prepare.

    ===============
    Since MS does not set a restore point before updates in Win 10 (system restore is off by default) again where things go wrong your only recourse would be an in-place upgrade repair install. Which is not sthg of which you are instinctively aware.

    Otherwise (for non major build upgrades) if you happen to have enabled system restore and have restore points available, that would work.

    Otherwise, you have either
    - used Win 10's rather minimal image creation
    or
    - used a 3rd party program (disk imaging or sthg like Farstone Total Recovery or Rollback RX)

    It is certainly not correct that all problems experienced are solely to do with users making silly decisions or mistakes.

    For example, setting hyperlink defaults requires manual action. Setting defaults as MS expects does not include that.

    Changing some privacy settings results in strange behaviour and the widely reported 'Some settings are managed by your organisation' and can sometimes break Cortana in mysterious ways.

    Sometimes default associations are reset for various odd reasons, nothing to do with user errors. Sthg I'd not been aware of prior to Win 10.

    Etc Etc
    This is very helpful and I'll mention it regarding Upgraded PC. With new PCs, the Major retailers should have done more. One of the UK Giants is advertising a huge Sale. I Facebooked them that I was particularly interested in buying a new Win10 and I asked were there any problems with it. No, they replied! So new customers are being conned.
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  8.    12 Mar 2016 #8

    whs said: View Post
    I am running Windows 10 in a virtual partition and that seems to be OK. Maybe the problems people have come from faulty drivers. In virtual you would not have that problem.
    absolutely yes you cant upgrade to a new OS and expect everything to run flawlessly it just diesnt work that way , upgrade installs are doomed to fail from the start everyone should clean install , some drivers in particular will remain with an upgrade install why anyone expects this to be a good idea i have no idea. That said are are millions out there who just dont know or dont care to find out and its those who are having issues. MS are all but ramming this down everyones throats without the proper information , i mean if MS say its going to be ok it is . . . isnt it?? They should recommend either a clean install are more carefull planning. Asw was mentioned in that thread there have been millions of upgrades and compared the percentage of failiures is tiny , so in that respect MS aint gonna give two hoots simple
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  9. Posts : 47
    Win10 Home v.1607 Build 14393.693
       13 Mar 2016 #9

    Thanks Archie123. I'll buy in to your comments about Upgrades and that MS aren't doing enough to warn customers but what about a brand-new PC? Shouldn't someone buying a new Windows10 PC have the right to expect it to work, and to not have it screwed-up by a WU? My new PC is now suffering from all the same issues as my upgraded one!
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       13 Mar 2016 #10

    Funny, how he defies your position with a graph showing the increased number of Windows 10 installations.
    Guess, he forgot to mentioned forced Windows 10 Upgrades, which are common people unable to stop.

    Then again, yes, it is people, who screw up 10, you are not supposed to install drivers/apps, just use it as it is, it is perfect.
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