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  1.    16 Feb 2016 #11
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    My BAD. I actually DO have BitLocker (Thank you, Cortana) but checking the drives in the Control panel, NONE of them are protected by BitLocker, (I even found a text file with the BitLocker Key, but if they are not locked with BitLocker, I still cannot open them! The files in question are on Drive O: and I am trying to copy them to Drive L:
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  2.    16 Feb 2016 #12
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    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomRydr View Post
    (I own them all and have full control), I need permission from myself to access folders and files I already own and have full control. Go figger....
    Well, obviously you don't. Just because your name is Doug doesn't mean you can unlock every EFS file encrypted by someone else who is also called Doug.

    Read up on EFS. It has nothing to do with Bitlocker.
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  3.    16 Feb 2016 #13
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    That's a bit cryptic. What do other people named Doug have to do with it? There are none in MY network, nor were there in previous iterations of OS and 3 other computers where these files and folders have been migrated for the past 12-15 years. I doubt if another Doug snuck into my house and encrypted my files, just to bust my chops! I know it is not BitLocker, I figured that out. I have 'read up' on EFS for the past couple of years and everything I have read boils down to 'tough luck- you cannot open them!' This is why I am here, yet again, hoping the tech has gotten to a place where someone knows a work-around for EFS. So if 'obviously I don't', then I am being lied to as it does not say "Full Control- Except if EFS protected". My logic tells me, someone wrote the code for EFS, so someone knows a way around it! I am just hoping he/she will make themselves known. Is there a 'dark web' for hackers? (Or is that just on CSI Cyber, LOL!)
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  4.    16 Feb 2016 #14
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    Quote Originally Posted by Britton View Post
    The lock beside a folder usually means you had those files shared at some point, either through network share or via the homegroup, but then suddenly stopped sharing them. I do not know your specific skill level when it comes to folder permission properties but I assume you have set the files to not be shared anymore.

    If not you can try right clicking the locked folder and going to properties then the Sharing tab. Click advanced sharing, make sure the check box that says "Share this folder" is not checked. Hit OK.

    Next go to the security tab right beside the Sharing tab and check the user groups. Ensure you have the following user groups present: SYSTEM, Administrators (Domain\Adminstrators), and Users. You may also see your own user name in this list. If you see all those, then the next thing to do would be to hit the advanced button at the bottom of the Security tab.

    This will bring up the Advanced Security Settings dialog window. From here click add, then at the top of the next window click "Select a principal" and enter the term Authenticated Users in the object name area. Click "check names", it should update itself then hit ok. Then click ok on the Security Settings window. You'll then be back at the regular properties window and you should see Authenticated Users in the Group list. You do not need to allow it any special access controls, simply hit ok and the lock should go away.

    If you are still unable to copy/move the data then this could indicate that the files are in use in the background, possibly by the Windows Media Player Sharing Service, if this is the case then ensure you do not have any media applications running, such as WMP, the Photo's App or any 3rd party software that could be indexing the files in that location.

    That's about all I know about that particular issue but I hope it helps you sort out your locked folder issue.
    Thanks for the offer (and the instructions) I am a few hours short of an MCSE and have been an 'expert' since DOS 3.1. So trust me, I know my way around the permissions and ownership scenario. The files are protected by EFS. This is something that came after my 'official MS training' back in the 90s. I do not know why or how, as I have never used it and everything I have read says you have to have the unlock codes to release them. However as I did not create them, and not a single solitary soul has had access to my computer for many years, I have no idea what these codes might be (or how they were encrypted in the first place). If I did it, I would have the codes. I do not, because I did not. I just need a back door to EFS files! Thanks for trying!
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  5.    16 Feb 2016 #15
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  6.    17 Feb 2016 #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by simrick View Post
    I will check it out and let you know. Thanks
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  7.    17 Feb 2016 #17
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    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomRydr View Post
    Thanks for the offer (and the instructions) I am a few hours short of an MCSE and have been an 'expert' since DOS 3.1. So trust me, I know my way around the permissions and ownership scenario. The files are protected by EFS. This is something that came after my 'official MS training' back in the 90s. I do not know why or how, as I have never used it and everything I have read says you have to have the unlock codes to release them. However as I did not create them, and not a single solitary soul has had access to my computer for many years, I have no idea what these codes might be (or how they were encrypted in the first place). If I did it, I would have the codes. I do not, because I did not. I just need a back door to EFS files! Thanks for trying!
    You're welcome FreedomRydr, I do not know how to answer this one so I'm going to have to back away from this question. I'm sorry my advice was not only unhelpful but not even in the right department. Based on the OP I thought it was just a permissions issue, that's a rampant problem in Windows 10 by itself.

    I used the bit locker once just to try it out, its handy for sensitive personal data for sure. However why would you want or need to encrypt video data, huge porn stash or something? (joking)
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  8.    18 Feb 2016 #18
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    Thanks for trying


    Quote Originally Posted by Britton View Post
    You're welcome FreedomRydr, I do not know how to answer this one so I'm going to have to back away from this question. I'm sorry my advice was not only unhelpful but not even in the right department. Based on the OP I thought it was just a permissions issue, that's a rampant problem in Windows 10 by itself.

    I used the bit locker once just to try it out, its handy for sensitive personal data for sure. However why would you want or need to encrypt video data, huge porn stash or something? (joking)
    My late wife was a professional model and dancer. I lost her to cancer 22 years ago, and these 12,000+ files are all I have left of her, to leave to my kids when I kick it (not too far off!.) I thought I may have found the answer from another response that led me to Elcomsoft's EFS Data Recovery, but it is very expensive software, and the trial version keeps locking up while scanning. I don't know if this is a software problem, or an incompatibility with Win 10, as it was not listed in their requirements. I wrote to their support and hoping for a positive help response!

    Thanks again for your assist!
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  9.    18 Feb 2016 #19
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    Hi, sorry to hear that. You mentioned this drive was used with older OS's - have you tried accessing it with, say, Win 7? I can't think why that should help, but you seem to be saying you've seen these lock icons only when trying to access the files with Win 10.

    (I might have missed sthg in the above).

    If that's not a possibility, what happens if you try booting from an installation disk, and opening a command prompt?

    Obviously if the files are encrypted, none of the above will help, but your belief is they should not be encrypted.

    And just in case it's any help..
    You've probably come across this thread (which doesn't show which type of padlock is involved)
    What are the padlock icons on folders for - Microsoft Community

    Share issues probably don't apply:
    Lock Icon on Files and Folders - Remove in Windows 7 - Windows 7 Help Forums
    This shows the small icon related to share problems, so unless the standard has changed, your icon does not indicate this kind of issue applies.

    Nontheless, if this somehow does apply, see
    How to remove lock icon over my folder Solved - Page 2 - Windows 7 Help Forums
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