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  1.    11 Feb 2015 #41
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slartybart View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lee View Post
    Hi Bill, Will then it would appear that Linux is a service, as must be Mac OS X. So, there must not be An OS out there anymore. . .or am I just being silly. . .
    A lot of the current talk is pie in the sky - all Compaines try to differentiate their products from the competitors. Buzzwords drive marketing - "Ohhhh how about Windows as a service - that sounds new and cool". Don't let the hype fool you - until MS actually puts the OS in the cloud - HA! - it is still an OS. It would still be an OS, but your device would be the equivalent of a diskless workstation. These things have been muttered many times, many ways over the past 40 years - nothing really new - just new words.

    I think what MS is trying to do is to get the ancillary services off the physical machine. Most of that already exists or existed once (eMail, cloud storage. Exchange, Notes, Groove) now all MS has to do is tie it all together across devices. This seems to indicate to me that the apps, not the OS will be cloud based, or at least have hooks into cloud based cross platform / cross device synchronized user interaction.

    Say you're working on a presentation and you have to catch a plane. Instead of saving your work and opening it on a tablet when you're on the plane, you just keep working on the presentation as if you never stopped working on it. It's one smooth transition from your PC at home to your tablet on the plane.

    How MS actually accomplishes this is their task. Needless to say there have been many attempts in the past to make something like this work. The reality, IMO, is it will take a few years to get there, if they can get there this time around

    Bill
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    I think I get it now. Windows 10 full retail operating system may be really cheap. What may cost is access to Microsoft cloud. The cloud will be subscription based. Now, I get how developers can develop one application for windows, the application/programs will be installed to the cloud not the computer. All devices will have access to the cloud. Actually, any operating system could be made to work with the cloud including windows 98se, just as long as you have a browser to access the cloud. Even Linux, MAC, BSD could access Microsoft cloud.

    I couldn't figure out, why no more releases of the operating system wouldn't be made. The reason is most programs or application will be installed in a cloud. Microsoft would update the cloud more often than your computer. I do hope for a free work-around for those that don't want to use the cloud and still be able to use the internet like they have done with previous operating systems even if that means not using Microsoft products.

    I also see some privacy concerns using the cloud.

    Of course all this is just my opinion. Time will tell
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  2.    12 Feb 2015 #42
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    Quote Originally Posted by groze View Post
    I think I get it now. Windows 10 full retail operating system may be really cheap. What may cost is access to Microsoft cloud. The cloud will be subscription based. Now, I get how developers can develop one application for windows, the application/programs will be installed to the cloud not the computer. All devices will have access to the cloud. Actually, any operating system could be made to work with the cloud including windows 98se, just as long as you have a browser to access the cloud. Even Linux, MAC, BSD could access Microsoft cloud.
    You got part of it right, Groze; I have a lifetime membership on OneDrive (Microsoft's Cloud) because I got in on the ground floor by being a tester. I also subscribe to Microsoft Office 365 and with that subscription, I have several GB of space on OneDrive. There's a rumor that subscribers to Office 365 will have unlimited storage on OneDrive. There ain't nuttin' Microsoft on OneDrive; it's for storing my stuff

    If I were to guess what Microsoft has in mind, I would say it would be more likely that we'd have to buy from the Microsoft Store and that wouldn't be a subscription simply because there are too many variables. How would one be charged for a subscription to the cloud? I have approximately 63 folders on OneDrive. Say each of those folders held a particular Microsoft product. I've bought a bare bones OS. Can I go in carte blanche and get what I want to fluff out my OS? Hmmm, there's Office. Yeah, lemme have that too. MSDN? Sure, I'd like to have that too. See what I mean?

    Quote Originally Posted by groze View Post
    I couldn't figure out, why no more releases of the operating system wouldn't be made. The reason is most programs or application will be installed in a cloud. Microsoft would update the cloud more often than your computer. I do hope for a free work-around for those that don't want to use the cloud and still be able to use the internet like they have done with previous operating systems even if that means not using Microsoft products.
    There will always be a new Windows as long as Microsoft is in existence. That's a given.

    If Microsoft were to make Windows in the Cloud a subscription, I would be one of the first to abandon ship and look to alternatives. I have too many computers to pay yearly for a subscription when an OS can and will last several years. I have licenses to Windows Vista, Windows 7, Windows 8/8.1 and will even have a license to Windows 10 when it's released. Only one of these licenses is OEM and tied to a particular computer. There are my alternatives!

    Quote Originally Posted by groze View Post
    I also see some privacy concerns using the cloud.
    I see privacy concerns just going onto the Internet with my computer, so going to the cloud isn't any worse to me.


    Quote Originally Posted by groze View Post
    Of course all this is just my opinion. Time will tell
    Frankly, I hope you're wrong. I do not want to see my operating system become a subscription . . . Windows 10 should last me awhile.
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  3.    12 Feb 2015 #43
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    Quote Originally Posted by groze View Post
    I think I get it now. Windows 10 full retail operating system may be really cheap. What may cost is access to Microsoft cloud. The cloud will be subscription based. Now, I get how developers can develop one application for windows, the application/programs will be installed to the cloud not the computer. All devices will have access to the cloud. Actually, any operating system could be made to work with the cloud including windows 98se, just as long as you have a browser to access the cloud. Even Linux, MAC, BSD could access Microsoft cloud.

    I couldn't figure out, why no more releases of the operating system wouldn't be made. The reason is most programs or application will be installed in a cloud. Microsoft would update the cloud more often than your computer. I do hope for a free work-around for those that don't want to use the cloud and still be able to use the internet like they have done with previous operating systems even if that means not using Microsoft products.

    I also see some privacy concerns using the cloud.

    Of course all this is just my opinion. Time will tell
    It's all up in the air until MS finalizes their strategy. It will be years in the making, so don't sweat the small stuff. Will apps or the OS be in the cloud? Eventually, sure ... but today the Infrastructure isn't there and the users aren't there.

    Windows 10 will be updated regularly, it won't be renamed after 3 years - it will remain Windows 10 for the foreseeable future.

    I don't know the price target for Win10 - it will probably be around the same price as previous versions. The additional revenue allows MS to give free upgrades to users - they're not going to lose money on Win10 or the additional services offered.

    When everyone has decent always on Internet access and users are accustomed to using networked serices, then things might move to the cloud. Everything I've said is based on my experience with previous attempts at centralized computing (mainframes) and cross platform independence. I was involved with a small group 30 years ago that wrote C++ application code for disparate machines - we did the cross platform trick way back then ... it was really hard even with the "portability" of the development language (IBM: MVS & VM, DEC: Unix & RSX, Tandem: Unix, PCs, workstations, and single function machines).

    Anyway... I see this as a new beginning - Deja vu all over again
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  4.    12 Feb 2015 #44
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slartybart View Post
    It's all up in the air until MS finalizes their strategy. It will be years in the making, so don't sweat the small stuff. Will apps or the OS be in the cloud? Eventually, sure ... but today the Infrastructure isn't there and the users aren't there.

    Windows 10 will be updated regularly, it won't be renamed after 3 years - it will remain Windows 10 for the foreseeable future.

    I don't know the price target for Win10 - it will probably be around the same price as previous versions. The additional revenue allows MS to give free upgrades to users - they're not going to lose money on Win10 or the additional services offered.

    When everyone has decent always on Internet access and users are accustomed to using networked serices, then things might move to the cloud. Everything I've said is based on my experience with previous attempts at centralized computing (mainframes) and cross platform independence. I was involved with a small group 30 years ago that wrote C++ application code for disparate machines - we did the cross platform trick way back then ... it was really hard even with the "portability" of the development language (IBM: MVS & VM, DEC: Unix & RSX, Tandem: Unix, PCs, workstations, and single function machines).

    Anyway... I see this as a new beginning - Deja vu all over again

    Slartybart,
    There are already applications using the cloud. Panada Virus is a good example of a cloud application. If almost everything operates in the cloud you wouldn't need a computer. You would need a device to access the cloud. The only secuirty you would have to worry about is the device to & from the cloud and to your printer or offline storage drive. How this applies to businesses and governments would be a little harder.

    Wynona,

    I never said the operating system would become subscription based, just Microsoft cloud might. As I said above Panada Virus is a good example of a cloud application. If Microsoft is thinking of subscription based for the cloud. It will properly have different package levels. I think Microsoft wants to be like Hulu. Hulu provides some stuff for free, the rest is subscription based.
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  5.    12 Feb 2015 #45
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    IE11 is In the cloud with "office on line" ,the link below of go to bing.com
    https://office.live.com/start/defaul..._id=O16_BingHP
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  6.    12 Feb 2015 #46
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    Windows Octal 12



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  7.    12 Feb 2015 #47
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    So-called cloud apps still have a local component. These are relatively new applications.

    The cloud service mainly houses the data for the local app to hook into and manipulate. In the case of Panda, it makes sense to keep the HUGE database in the cloud and access it from the local app with local defs (it wouldn't be very efficient to send every file to the cloud for analysis). The hybrid approach will be around for a while.

    edit: and when people start complaining that their data can't be reliably accessed, we'll go back to decentralized computing.
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  8.    12 Feb 2015 #48
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    Quote Originally Posted by caperjack View Post
    IE11 is In the cloud with "office on line" ,the link below of go to bing.com
    https://office.live.com/start/defaul..._id=O16_BingHP
    Aha! Have you tried the free preview Office?

    Did you notice that some features require purchase of Office 365? This is the marketing hook, the additional revenue stream I spoke of. I don't know if the same hooks are in Office online, but I wouldn't be surprised for any company to offer a trimmed down version of an application in order to sell their flagship version of the product. It's not really a new marketing ploy ... get the user hooked on the free version and increase the chances that they'll buy the full fledged product(s)
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  9.    12 Feb 2015 #49
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slartybart View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by caperjack View Post
    IE11 is In the cloud with "office on line" ,the link below of go to bing.com
    https://office.live.com/start/defaul..._id=O16_BingHP
    Aha! Have you tried the free preview Office?

    Did you notice that some features require purchase of Office 365? This is the marketing hook, the additional revenue stream I spoke of. I don't know if the same hooks are in Office online, but I wouldn't be surprised for any company to offer a trimmed down version of an application in order to sell their flagship version of the product. It's not really a new marketing ploy ... get the user hooked on the free version and increase the chances that they'll buy the full fledged product(s)
    don't really use it ,just did a bit with powerpoint and word ,and save it to my computer ,with out any issues

    and I have not tried the free preview of office yet
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  10.    12 Feb 2015 #50
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    Quote Originally Posted by caperjack View Post
    don't really use it ,just did a bit with powerpoint and word ,and save it to my computer ,with out any issues
    and I have not tried the free preview of office yet
    Same here, just poked around a bit, click, change, test, see, do What - I need a subscription to do that - oh I get it now

    Still, you can do things with the apps, it's not that they're brain dead viewers only.

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