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  1.    11 Feb 2015 #41

    Quote Originally Posted by jack View Post
    IF Microsoft were to ask me what I want in an OS, it would be the following...
    Give me the choice to COMPLETELY decide what I want and don't want.
    And an explanation of why I can't refuse some particular feature.
    This would make me very happy. But alas it will never happen
    I can dream can't I?
    The problem is not everyone defines what the essentials of the OS are the same. Example is the device manager part of the OS? Well you can download a 3rd part option if you wish but most people would say it's part of the OS. How about a browser? How can you download other browser if you don't have one in the first place. So may when you purchase you get the browser of your choice that they can install for 25 to 40 dollars. Most people love to be able to watch videos or play music in Windows out of the box. I don't care less what MS puts in their OS if theirs works fine I will use if not i download something I like better and never realize the MS's tool even exists. These tools take up little space and typically aren't running at startup. So I can delete shortcuts and remove from startup if they do and I'm good to go.
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  2.    11 Feb 2015 #42
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    Quote Originally Posted by jack View Post
    IF Microsoft were to ask me what I want in an OS, it would be the following...
    Give me the choice to COMPLETELY decide what I want and don't want.
    And an explanation of why I can't refuse some particular feature.
    This would make me very happy. But alas it will never happen
    I can dream can't I?
    Quote Originally Posted by CountMike View Post
    I would like to have just bare minimum windows without any of those small applications starting fro textpad, paint and such, not even a browser, I replace those with my favorite third party anyway. No desktop pictures and themes, easily replaceable icons and menus. Just a plain, minimal OS. They could offer some packages (distros ?) that you can download and set up or even just programs by themselves. Something like famous "Find an application to open this file with". For instance, you want to open a text file, a menu shows up and gives you choice of Notepad, Wordpad or something like that.
    Windows like that would be much smaller easier to download and setup without a bunch junkware and stuff you'll never use.
    What orlbuckeye said....

    Advantages and Disadvantages....

    The big disadvantage is like people mentioned- there will be applications that many people do not realize that are out there, or realize that they even need. Some examples are the .zip file uncompression program, DVD playback (as mentioned above), photo-display programs - which are now built into Windows. People may go out and purchase a third-party tools unnecessarily.

    Another potential bomb is cost. I can see apps for an OS being sold very easily. That would not be good.

    There is one or possibly two advantages to selling an OS in kernel seed-form originally- It will probably be installable onto a USB, to enable it to be bootable.

    Scalability would be interesting. A student can purchase a 'bare-bones' stripped-down version of an OS. While the deluxe version would start out to be the exact same stripped-down version, but with more bells and whistles added/purchased later on. The only thing that you probably will not be able to switch later on would be 32Bit/64Bit.

    The other advantage would be a small speed improvement. How you ask? Just because of virtue of it's decreased size. For example file indexing would not have to work so hard- giving more resources for user-apps. The registry will not be so huge probably, making it faster to read from. Any antivirus program would benefit for the same reason.

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    p.s. Sorry for my interjecting my suggestion earlier in this thread. If someone feels compelled- please suggest it to MS. You can say that it's your idea. I don't care about that.
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  3.    14 Feb 2015 #43
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    "Just click on the Windows Feedback icon in the Start menu, then tell them what you just told us. As Jeff said, if enough of us ask for it, we may just get it."

    and then one has to sign in on a MS account and everything gets changed on your computer.....

    I have had that and do not want it back to happen Wynona....

    Me i want the Charms back and those not wanting it, do not have to use it, right?

    About a year ago i suggested here to have some 50 options (or more) to personalise your OS at install time. Then everyone would have what he wants.

    Jeff
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  4.    14 Feb 2015 #44
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffrys View Post
    "Just click on the Windows Feedback icon in the Start menu, then tell them what you just told us. As Jeff said, if enough of us ask for it, we may just get it."

    and then one has to sign in on a MS account and everything gets changed on your computer.....

    I have had that and do not want it back to happen Wynona....

    Me i want the Charms back and those not wanting it, do not have to use it, right?

    About a year ago i suggested here to have some 50 options (or more) to personalise your OS at install time. Then everyone would have what he wants.

    Jeff
    When I had the sleep problem back before a December 2013 (has it been that long!?) patch Tuesday, I change to a non-Microsoft account login and nothing changed, so I'm wondering what would change if you went the other way. Curiosity kilt da ferret.

    I wish I could choose not to use the Charms Bar, Jeffrys! The fact is that it can be partially disabled, but not completely. Just a couple minutes ago, I went to the lower right corner to click on "show hidden icons" and the blasted thing popped up. OK, then I tried to actually open the thing and had to fish for it again.

    I think I'd be safe in saying we'd all like to have options during installation. However, not everyone actually installs their OS. I'd say those of us who do are very much in the minority, since it seems OEM computers are very much in the majority. I have yet to go on a call to one of my senior clients who has a self-built PC (except for a friend I passed one of my old XP machines to). The idea is good though, and we do have some choices, but not nearly enough.
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  5.    14 Feb 2015 #45
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffrys View Post
    "Just click on the Windows Feedback icon in the Start menu, then tell them what you just told us. As Jeff said, if enough of us ask for it, we may just get it."

    Jeff
    No sorry. Don't have Win10 installed. That's why I mentioned that if someone wants to submit the idea about all the PC Controls being in one place... please feel free to do so.

    My interest in the TenForums is to see if there is any official release date announced. Then one thing leads to another.....

    Thanks.
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  6.    15 Feb 2015 #46
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    Well Wynona,

    when i hit the right lower corner i get the dekstop as we all now from ...... Windows 98 and what we will use for the .....next 100 years.

    I want the Charms back, want the Metro to stay, but one shoujld get the option to do so. If some do not want the Charms bar or the Metro, then do not use it or better use WIn.....you know what i mean.

    And yes DP, i wanted and want when installing a new OS, enough parameters to personalise the OS or have the possibility to do so after the install.

    I like Win 10 right now, thanks to the Quick access and thanks to Brink who offered the possibility to have the Start and Apps back.

    Jeff
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  7.    15 Feb 2015 #47
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    ,7,8.1 10TP 10upgrade,MINT

    Call me old fashioned if you like, but I don't want cloud computing or Cortana.
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  8.    15 Feb 2015 #48
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    Quote Originally Posted by tinmar49 View Post
    Call me old fashioned if you like, but I don't want cloud computing or Cortana.
    I certainly don't want Cortana, but storage in the cloud is probably OK.
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  9.    15 Feb 2015 #49
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    Quote Originally Posted by caperjack View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by caperjack View Post
    wouldn't we all ,especially for the price ,then there is always Mac ,and it actually is a lot easier than Linux use
    I don't agree with this.

    The Linux GUIs I've used (GNOME2, KDE3? & MATE) are much closer to Windows, than the Mac GUI is.
    Most of the "common" keyboard shortcuts are identical in Linux Distros too ("Undo" is an exception).
    ok.i need to update my thoughts on Linux ,I have never used the ones you mention ,

    A little off topic, @caperjack
    Here is a screenshot of XFCE. I installed Lubuntu 14.10 64 bit, then added XFCE via command line, then added Ubuntu software-center via command line, then added wine 32 bit via command line. I use xfce most of the time when I am using Linux. Note, if you have a volume issue, logout of XFCE start in Lubuntu adjust volume level or unmute, then log-out, log back into XFCE desktop. I find Lubuntu better at finding hardware than Xubuntu.

    Windows 10 operating system wouldn't be bloated from the choice of desktops guis. You will have a default desktop like Linux does. Then you can install your favorite desktop by command line or by gui.

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  10.    16 Feb 2015 #50
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    Quote Originally Posted by groze View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by caperjack View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by caperjack View Post
    wouldn't we all ,especially for the price ,then there is always Mac ,and it actually is a lot easier than Linux use
    I don't agree with this.

    The Linux GUIs I've used (GNOME2, KDE3? & MATE) are much closer to Windows, than the Mac GUI is.
    Most of the "common" keyboard shortcuts are identical in Linux Distros too ("Undo" is an exception).
    ok.i need to update my thoughts on Linux ,I have never used the ones you mention ,

    A little off topic, @caperjack
    Here is a screenshot of XFCE. I installed Lubuntu 14.10 64 bit, then added XFCE via command line, then added Ubuntu software-center via command line, then added wine 32 bit via command line. I use xfce most of the time when I am using Linux. Note, if you have a volume issue, logout of XFCE start in Lubuntu adjust volume level or unmute, then log-out, log back into XFCE desktop. I find Lubuntu better at finding hardware than Xubuntu.

    Windows 10 operating system wouldn't be bloated from the choice of desktops guis. You will have a default desktop like Linux does. Then you can install your favorite desktop by command line or by gui.

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    ok, so Linux is getting easier to use ,I get it,
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