What a PROPER start menu should look like

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  1. Posts : 11,183
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       #11

    Hi there

    Was just suggesting that the logical place for a search function is surely at the TOP of a list - as W10 is still in "Design phase" I can't see anything wrong in making suggestions that could be popular. The fact that I was showing a Linux start menu was irrelevant -- just giving an example where the search is at the logical place at the TOP of a list.

    Surely when an OS is still in some sort of design stage this is the time to suggest what I would imagine to be a sensible logical improvement.

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  2. Posts : 93
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       #12

    jimbo45 said:
    IMO a DECENT functioning start menu should be totally user customiseable
    The current Windows 10 builds are interesting with regards to the Start-menu... It's implemented as a 'Modern' Application called "ShellExperienceHost" with the UI mostly coded as XAML:
    C:\Program Files\WindowsApps\Microsoft.Windows.ShellExperienceHost_1.0.0.2_x64__8wekyb3d8bbwe\startui\

    Having done some XAML development... Anyone can use a an XBF decompiler to extract and rewrite the UI template with Visual Studio or Expression Blend and completely redesign the entire Start-menu (including other windows such as the Action Center)... I've only just started looking at the implementation so I'm not sure how customizable it could be or if the current XBF decompilers need to be updated but it should be relatively easy... (the EnableXamlStartMenu key listed on this Tutorial is also closely related: https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/3...dows-10-a.html)

    Hopefully Microsoft will leave the start-menu as a separate Modern Application coded in XAML so we're able to completely customize the design after RTM :)
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  3. Posts : 11,183
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       #13

    dmex said:
    jimbo45 said:
    IMO a DECENT functioning start menu should be totally user customiseable
    The current Windows 10 builds are interesting with regards to the Start-menu... It's implemented as a 'Modern' Application called "ShellExperienceHost" with the UI mostly coded as XAML:
    C:\Program Files\WindowsApps\Microsoft.Windows.ShellExperienceHost_1.0.0.2_x64__8wekyb3d8bbwe\startui\

    Having done some XAML development... Anyone can use a an XBF decompiler to extract and rewrite the UI template with Visual Studio or Expression Blend and completely redesign the entire Start-menu (including other windows such as the Action Center)... I've only just started looking at the implementation so I'm not sure how customizable it could be or if the current XBF decompilers need to be updated but it should be relatively easy... (the EnableXamlStartMenu key listed on this Tutorial is also closely related: https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/3...dows-10-a.html)

    Hopefully Microsoft will leave the start-menu as a separate Modern Application coded in XAML so we're able to completely customize the design after RTM :)
    Hi there.

    That was the point of the thread - I haven't a single clue about XAML or anything else like that - but the wretched thing should be decently customiseable and if it can be done without a major re-code of the windows GUI then why not -- this is the time to make those sorts of changes - BEFORE RTM. Everybody uses computers in quite different ways with a lot of totally different types of programs so why not give as much flexibility to the user (without obviously going totally overboard of course) as possible.

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  4. Posts : 93
    Windows
       #14

    jimbo45 said:
    I haven't a single clue about XAML or anything else like that
    XAML is more or less very similar to HTML... If you can code even the most basic website then you're already able to code XAML

    jimbo45 said:
    if it can be done without a major re-code of the windows GUI then why not
    You get to see XAML changes in real-time using things like Visual Studio or Expression Blend... Open file > rewrite some text > save file = Instant new startmenu design without any "major re-code".

    For example:
    What a PROPER start menu should look like-ic66929.png

    jimbo45 said:
    this is the time to make those sorts of changes - BEFORE RTM.
    The problem is that I think Microsoft is going to be moving away from the "ShellExperienceHost" application powering the Start-menu (It also has a bunch of testing related junk in the application folder) and it requires the EnableXamlStartMenu registry key to load and use some XAML resources - Personally, I wouldn't be reversing it until RTM as to not waste a heap of time on something that might disappear in the next update
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  5. Posts : 5,183
    Windows 11 Home
       #15

    I gave up on MS to bring a decent Start Menu, so I have deleted the new one and I have none.
    MS wants people to use store/windows phone apps and that it is, no desktop software allowed.
    To my surprise, MS even deleted Calc, something that has 50 KB just to keep up with it philosophy.
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  6. Posts : 11,183
    Windows / Linux : Arch Linux
    Thread Starter
       #16

    caperjack said:
    WightWalker said:
    Ditto.

    I'm just in the process of downloading the new Windows 10 build but don't hold out too many hopes for a proper Start Menu given what was shown at last weeks Windows 10 presentation.
    latest win10 start ,I customised it a bit so far .




    bottom pic is in Tablet mode ,full screen

    oh yeah, i hate .Linux ,lol
    Hi there

    I like the BIKE. !!!

    cheers
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  7. Posts : 22,741
    Windows 10 Home x64
       #17

    z3r010 said:
    Looks garbage to me.
    WightWalker said:
    z3r010 said:
    Looks garbage to me.
    Not really an appropriate response from an Administrator!
    Ok, it's garbage.. better.
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  8. Posts : 22,741
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       #18

    Lee said:
    Here we go again with that BS about the great and wonder Linux. . .Please this is a windows forum not Linux.
    True, but he's allowed to his opinion and it is constructive, IMO
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  9. Posts : 4,585
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       #19

    Classic shell is incompatible

    Don`t need it, just wanted it.
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  10. Posts : 22,741
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       #20

    z3r010 said:
    Looks garbage to me.
    WightWalker said:
    z3r010 said:
    Looks garbage to me.
    Not really an appropriate response from an Administrator!
    caperjack said:
    BunnyJ said:
    Lee said:
    Here we go again with that BS about the great and wonder Linux. . .Please this is a windows forum not Linux.
    True, but he's allowed to his opinion and it is constructive, IMO
    I don't like it would have been a better response ,maybe

    forum rules #2 ,useless one liners ,lol
    2) No useless posts, e.g., thread bumping, useless one liners, junk posting to increase post count, and identical multi-postings in different forums.
    If you think I broke a rule report me.
    And I know the rules just as well as you do and if you took note an Admin did the exact same thing?? Did you point out the rules to him as well..

    Note: more than one line.
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