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  1.    04 Feb 2015 #281
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald View Post
    I never attacked anyone. I "attacked" the concept of planned casualties and the foolishness of supporting it, not to mention how people can be so glib about dictating how other people should spend their money.

    What do you mean by "SOHO"? There are several things that can mean.
    In computers, SOHO means Small Office/Home Office

    Let's be real here... we're talking about computers here.. not human lives. Microsoft could decide to give up on software and start selling boats next week and leave everyone in the lurch and there's nothing we could do about it. They have no responsibility to us legally (other than contracts they may have with companies, in which case they would have to either fulfill those contracts or buy them out) or ethically. They are only beholden to their shareholders. All companies are. That's the way the world works.

    You need to start thinking about your computer and your OS as products you buy, not as lifelines that need support for all eternity.
    Sigh! You have totally missed the points. Of course, MS can do whatever they want to do with their business. However, making business moves that drive away an established customer base is not conducive to staying in business. Forcing anyone to make unnecessary expenditures, such as replacing existing otherwise perfectly good hardware and software, is a good way to drive customers away. When businesses needed to upgrade from XP, did most of them go to Win 8.0, which would cost them a fortune in employee retraining and, to a lesser degree, hardware and software upgrades? No, they upgraded to Win 7.

    Sure we are talking computers here but people do depend on them, especially businesses. If a business is forced to adopt a new, unnecessarily expensive computer infrastructure to stay in operation, that expense has to be absorbed by cutbacks elsewhere. In most cases, the bulk of those cutbacks come in the form of a reduction in force (layoffs) with existing employees having to take on the workload of the ones let go. So, yeah, human lives are affected. Some businesses are more heavily dependent on computers others, making the impact on the business, the employees, and customers even greater. If a business that has had to make cutbacks is the majopr industry of a town, then the entire town is affected.

    Small Office/Home Office was the first thing that came to mind but I discarded that because large businesses, small offices, and home offices would all be affected in the same way.

    People, such as cognus, and businesses are quick to say how other people should spend their money. They wouldn't be so glib about it if they had to foot the bill for me. I'm on a so called fixed income (it isn't because inflation eats away at it); I have to watch my spending. Same for businesses; they can milk their customers only so much and still keep them. Sure, businesses are beholden to their shareholders but even shareholders should know there are limits to how much a cow can be milked without killing it.

    I have almost five years before I will have to upgrade from Win 7 (most likely, I will do start doing so well before the bitter end). That means I will have up to five years to prepare for that migration. Mayhap M$ will have some thing worth upgrading to like they did when I upgraded from XP to Win 7. If not, there will be other options. The first year or so of a new M$ OS tends to be plagued with bugs (that is to be expected), hardware and software who are slow about updating drivers (or refuse to, one of the resons I will never buy anymore HP products), etc. so it's generally better to wait to see how things will sort out. If M$ continues the plan of forcing short term upgrades (such as Win 8.0 to Win 8.1) instead of allowing people to stay with something they are comfortable with (which, sadly, is highly likely), then M$ and I will part company, as will most businesses (if only because of retraining expenses).
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  2.    04 Feb 2015 #282
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    W7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), LM 18.2 MATE (64 bit), W10 Home (64 bit)

    Annoyances vs Improvements


    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    Windows 7 was a very minor upgrade over Windows Vista, but yet it was, by most peoples accounts, a significantly better user experience. Meanwhile, Vista was a HUGE upgrade over XP, but people really didn't see much value in it. So go figure.
    Mystere, this is a good point . I guess it's a gut feeling that makes people accept or reject an OS. And a lot of it is hearsay and first impressions. Vista had a bad start because of the drivers. W7 was smooth and eye appealing. W8 was confusing and people got shocked.
    "You only get one chance to make a first impression."

    In my opinion it is a ratio: annoyance at changes vs improvements due to changes.

    Vista and the W8 series made lots of changes and they weren't considered to be improvements (by people that rejected those Windows versions).

    Quote Originally Posted by groze View Post
    I only had a couple of issues on linux. Thunderbird email web links to won't work correctly. Whenever I open Google chrome or Chromium. A crash message pops-up. Google chrome or Chromium still opens and works without issue. Just a little annoyance but I can tolerate it.
    Using the CLI interface (in any OS) is a pain (mostly because I make too many typos).

    Drivers are the "elephant in the room".

    Finding/Installing drivers in Windows is a nightmare (if it can't automatically retrieve them).
    It's worse in Linux Distros.
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  3.    05 Feb 2015 #283
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    I wouldn't call finding drivers for W10 "nightmare", not any worse than for 8.1 anyway. I even got some for HW that wouldn't work on 8/8.1. If you are talking about drivers made explicitly for W10, that's another story. AMD has already announced new drivers for their products, expect most of other MFGs will scramble to make or adapt drivers soon, do not expect much from HD though, they are notorious for being late or not caring at all. So far, despite having somewhat old and even ancient HW, everything working fine on my machine.
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  4.    05 Feb 2015 #284
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    Quote Originally Posted by CountMike View Post
    I wouldn't call finding drivers for W10 "nightmare", not any worse than for 8.1 anyway. I even got some for HW that wouldn't work on 8/8.1. If you are talking about drivers made explicitly for W10, that's another story. AMD has already announced new drivers for their products, expect most of other MFGs will scramble to make or adapt drivers soon, do not expect much from HD though, they are notorious for being late or not caring at all. So far, despite having somewhat old and even ancient HW, everything working fine on my machine.
    I'm running W10 in a VM, so W10 drivers do not concern me.

    I'm talking about peripherals from small companies (not Intel, NVidia, AMD, etc.).

    What do you do when a search using the Hardware ID, returns dozens of companies and dozens of totally unrelated devices?
    This happened to me a couple of weeks ago (in W7).

    Ironically, Linux Mint 17.1 had no issues at all.
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  5.    05 Feb 2015 #285
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    If you don't like what Ms is doing then buy something else.
    Unless you're referring to a different OS like staying with Windows 7/8, then unfortunately, there's no real alternative other than Mac.
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  6.    05 Feb 2015 #286

    Quote Originally Posted by Dude View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by badrobot View Post
    One of the reason I want to keep 7 is so that I can continue to use my old programs with no issues whatsoever.
    W10 should have a W7 mode, like 7 had XP mode
    Well the biggest reason for XP mode is to run 16 bit applications. Most users with Windows 7 have 64 bit Windows 7 since 32 bit processors have been pretty much standard since at least 2003. Its that reason why a Windows 7 mode isn't needed since 95% of all programs that run in Windows 7 will run in Windows 10.
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  7.    05 Feb 2015 #287
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    Microsoft creates new operating systems for a reason..
    One would be to sell them. Older operating system stopped making them money.
    They need something new to sell.
    Presto W-8; didn't go over that well so now we have W-10.
    Now the new goal is to have a new operating system that people want to buy, again W-10 hopefully will fill the the desires of customers.

    What I have seen of Windows 10 is adding toys.

    *Look mommy my computer talks to me.
    *Look mommy I can send selfie's from my laptop to a friend on the other side of the world who I don't even know and get selfie's back on my phone.
    *Mommy could you help me? I want to watch my favorite DVD on my computer but I need to go to a thing called a app store to get something or I can't watch it.
    * Mommy i want a pare of the funny looking glasses so I can see my new friend selfie's in a Hologram.
    *Mommy is $3000.00 a lot of money? Those glasses are sure ugly.
    *Mommy my computer won't let me do my homework. It's telling me again I have to go to the app store again.
    *Mommy can I have my old computer back?

    Many of the new things very well might be good ideas for the Enterprise and industry but for us low lives using computers in small business or at home I don't think so.

    Maybe I just tired of tinkering with W-10 and need some rest from it.
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  8.    05 Feb 2015 #288
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    3-Win-7Prox64 2-Win10Prox64

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  9.    05 Feb 2015 #289
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    Right Jack, it's all about Mommy dishing out more of that green stuff.
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  10.    05 Feb 2015 #290
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    Quote Originally Posted by Layback Bear View Post
    Many of the new things very well might be good ideas for the Enterprise and industry but for us low lives using computers in small business or at home I don't think so.
    Well, yeah. Remember Microsoft is a company with business customers. I am going into CNC machining so the Hololens will be very handy for visualizing projects I am working on. It might also work very well as a desktop because instead of having two or four High resolution monster displays you just have the hololens that emulates them all plus more. I'd be very surprised if the Hololens didn't have a means of emulating 2D desktops, though I would have to see in person if the emulation is good enough.

    Also: since Windows 8 computers have not had a native DVD player unless you upgraded to Pro. Though OEMs preload a third party player so you haven't noticed.
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