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  1.    03 Feb 2015 #241
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    Quote Originally Posted by meebers View Post
    [ Restoring from an image is easier and faster plus images require less room to store. About the only time I clone a disk anymore is if I'm replacing it, such as replacing the HDD in a notebook with a SSD.
    Could not disagree more. Rebooting to a clone thats already installed takes 20-30 seconds. Images are not faster and not easier than a clone if it is set up right, meaning hot. This does not mean I don't also do images, I do. I am over run with backups, that have saved my butt more than once...[/QUOTE]

    By hot clone, are you referring to RAID 1? If so, that is NOT a backup! It is merely redundancy to help protect you from HDD failure. There are other things that can kill your data besides HDD failure. If by hot clone you mean you just have it idling in your computer but not actually using it, you are still subject to the same dangers as when relying on RAID 1. If you mean you just use the clone to replace the drive that died after it died, yes, it is faster but you no longer have a backup. If something goes pear sheaped before you can make a new clone, then you are out of luck. Also, it takes longer to make a clone than it does an image and you can't store multiple clones on a drive like you can images.
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  2.    03 Feb 2015 #242
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    Quote Originally Posted by groze View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    In principle you are correct because there are always a bunch of gremlins in a system after a couple of years running. But a reinstall is still a pita. In that case I would rather go with what the Lady says.
    You mean like a bunch of these?
    Attachment 11876
    Heck, I get those from the word go!
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  3.    03 Feb 2015 #243
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    Quote Originally Posted by Layback Bear View Post
    My basic question is still the same.
    What does W-10 bring new to the table that I want or can use?

    So far I haven't found anything. Having a conversation with my computer is a maybe.
    I just got 9926 and so far not a lot of joy.
    I don't fly around the world being very important so a lot of the sharing things on the fly doesn't mean anything to me.
    Email is simple. Receive email and send email. I will check it every week or two.

    If I'm not careful every time on want to search for something that is on my computer I end up with Bing online to some dumb ass place. I have no desire to use Bing for anything. If Bing can show me something new that I think is good then I will use it. I still don't want it going on line until I ask it to in the old fashion way. Ticking on the icon on my desktop.

    Somebody point me to something that W-10 does for a person at home doing just normal things or maybe have a small home business. So far I haven't been able to find Windows Media Center so I can watch a DVD movie.
    What ever Windows -10 Pro will cost is really not much of a concern if I get value for the money.

    Now I will go back to reading some more post on this forum to learn more about W-10 and why I should buy it.
    I haven't given up on W-10; just looking for a reason to buy it.
    Same here. So far, I haven't seen anything I would want or need that I can't do with Win 7, occasionally using third party programs. Upgrading to Win 10, at least at first, would probably mean upgrading some programs and hardware; why should I do that when what I have meets my needs? Then there is the extra hassle of dealing with M$ accounts.
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  4.    03 Feb 2015 #244
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    Quote Originally Posted by Layback Bear View Post
    What does W-10 bring new to the table that I want or can use?...............I haven't given up on W-10; just looking for a reason to buy it.
    The deciding factor for me may be support rather than functionality. Win 7 support ends in 2020. Win 10 will likely be supported to at least 2025. Or maybe "forever" if there is some new support model.

    Given the rise of mobile devices and the subscription model, I'd guess that Win 11 (or whatever comes after 10) will be less appropriate for my purposes than 10. So, I figure its better to bite the bullet and take 10 now while I can rather than speculate on what my choices might be in 2017 or 2018.

    If Microsoft waved its wand and extended Win 7 support to 2025, I'd be more apt to hide in the weeds and watch for a few more years. But that won't happen, so I'll likely take the plunge for support reasons alone.

    The "free upgrade" thing does little for me. I'd much prefer to pay if paying got me a "retail" ISO or DVD that can be repeatedly installed on changing hardware. I don't want to be restricted as regards installation, hardware upgrades, and licensing.
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  5.    03 Feb 2015 #245
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Layback Bear View Post
    My basic question is still the same.
    What does W-10 bring new to the table that I want or can use?

    So far I haven't found anything. Having a conversation with my computer is a maybe.
    I just got 9926 and so far not a lot of joy.
    I don't fly around the world being very important so a lot of the sharing things on the fly doesn't mean anything to me.
    Email is simple. Receive email and send email. I will check it every week or two.

    If I'm not careful every time on want to search for something that is on my computer I end up with Bing online to some dumb ass place. I have no desire to use Bing for anything. If Bing can show me something new that I think is good then I will use it. I still don't want it going on line until I ask it to in the old fashion way. Ticking on the icon on my desktop.

    Somebody point me to something that W-10 does for a person at home doing just normal things or maybe have a small home business. So far I haven't been able to find Windows Media Center so I can watch a DVD movie.
    What ever Windows -10 Pro will cost is really not much of a concern if I get value for the money.

    Now I will go back to reading some more post on this forum to learn more about W-10 and why I should buy it.
    I haven't given up on W-10; just looking for a reason to buy it.
    Same here. So far, I haven't seen anything I would want or need that I can't do with Win 7, occasionally using third party programs. Upgrading to Win 10, at least at first, would probably mean upgrading some programs and hardware; why should I do that when what I have meets my needs? Then there is the extra hassle of dealing with M$ accounts.
    Lady Fitzgerald you hit the nail on the head. It is a saying we have in the U.S.
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  6.    03 Feb 2015 #246
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    I think the too long, didn't read of this thread is; if you're a luddite against new features and are not entertained by them, Windows 10 isn't your cup of tea. If you like new features and can see the worthwhileness of them, go to 10.
    What is it about people assuming people are luddites when they don't automatically embrace all new technology, especially when it doesn't benefit them? Based on your comment, I assume you bought into laser discs and Betamax, too.
    It seems that people who "backed the wrong horse" (e.g. W8) can't accept responsibility for their own poor judgement.

    The so-called "Luddites" were right about W8 and if MS doesn't "lift its game" they'll be right about W10.
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  7.    03 Feb 2015 #247
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    I'm not bashing W-10 in any way. I'm like a drunk looking for a bar. I'm trying to find a reason to buy W-10. Not reasons not to buy it.
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  8.    03 Feb 2015 #248
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    Image before AV


    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    In principle you are correct because there are always a bunch of gremlins in a system after a couple of years running. But a reinstall is still a pita. In that case I would rather go with what the Lady says.

    Even better would be to make an image of the system shortly after installing the OS and downloading/installing all the updates and use that to "reinstall" the OS the next time. One could make another image after restoring the first image and downloading/installing the updates that came after the first installation. It would save a lot of time.
    Agreed.
    Additionally I would suggest that you make sure that you create a backup image before installing your AV program.

    When I rebuilt my system in December I created 3 images:
    1. OS + Updates
    2. OS + Updates + my "essential" software
    3. OS + Updates + my "essential" software + AV
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  9.    03 Feb 2015 #249
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    Windows 10 Professional

    Why would I change from Windows 7 to Windows 10?

    Boredom.
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  10.    03 Feb 2015 #250
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    KS
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    W 7 desktop Home Premium 64 - OS

    Edwin, it's nice to know someone is bored besides me. I guess that is why re installs don't bother me.
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