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  1.    01 Feb 2015 #191
    Join Date : Mar 2014
    Cape Breton Nova Scotia ,Canada
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    insider build 10586.3 win10 pro 64

    mmm. but high speed internet is mandatory.
    that's the first thing I wish I could find a replacement for ,so I was thing ,cabin-beer -daily news paper ,and long walks ,to make room for more beer
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  2.    01 Feb 2015 #192
    Join Date : Oct 2013
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    Windows 7
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    I once saw a report about this family who lived in a remote area of Yukon. It took them half a day to get to the next settlement. In the summer by boat on the river where they lived and in the winter by snowmobile. They made their living with fur. At least there was no crime.

    My wife would kill me. If there is no mall within 15 minutes, it's a no go, LOL.
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  3.    01 Feb 2015 #193
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    Canada
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    Windows 10 Home/10 Pro x 3/Windows 10 Insider Preview ?

    Quote Originally Posted by groze View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    It is just easier for me to reformat then do the imaging. I always order the disks as soon as I set my PC up.
    What can be easy about reinstalls and difficult about images. A reinstall may take 2 days of hard work and an image restore takes 20 minutes of the machine working. I rest my case.
    I agree. It takes me way more than two days to get a new installation working the way I want. A restore takes five, maybe ten minutes tops.

    I agree as well for a full system image restore it takes me about 15 to 25 minutes to restore, the same with backing up.
    Restoring my Win 10 system from a Macrium image the other day took approx 3 minutes from when I clicked on the Finish button. As I was using the free edition I was surprised that the backup completed faster than booting from the Win PE disk which took longer than 3 minutes.
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  4.    01 Feb 2015 #194
    Join Date : Dec 2013
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    Windows 10 64 Bit Home Premium

    Couple of good comments in here. Bottom line is that Windows 7 still holds true to the navigation of the OS since W95. All the way through to W7 we were able to quickly get back to work or play because we knew where everything was, like a so many analogies (cars, boats, motorcycles - never a dramatic change that throws the consumer an unholy curve ball)

    Microsoft is going down a very wrong path for the desktop user, especially the corporate world. Heck, the corporate world is just getting use to Windows 7 stations and servers after that long extension of Windows XP to April 2014.

    I have played with Windows 10 enough for the last couple of months that I know the only true benefit for "enthusiasts" is the UEFI which came with a new W8 or W10 machine off the retail shelves. The everyday computer user could care less about a replacement for BIOS. Most have never even entered BIOS since personal computers became a household item.

    Sticking with Windows 7 but will continually play with new versions.
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  5.    01 Feb 2015 #195
    Join Date : Jan 2015
    KS
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    W 7 desktop Home Premium 64 - OS

    WHS, I have wayyyy to much free time and I enjoy setting up it gives me something to do. When the time comes to install my 20+ games, I bring a good book in here and read while they install. I am not saying my way is the best for you all, it is for me.

    By the way I am probably the oldest PC user in this forum. I was 78 last month. Right now I feel like I am 100, but hopefully the surgeon will fix that problem tomorrow. I have a torn meniscus, the pain is so bad when stand up it makes me want to scream. Right now I am sooooo thirsty, no water until after surgery.
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  6.    01 Feb 2015 #196
    Join Date : Aug 2014
    Australia, Adelaide
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    W7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), LM 18.2 MATE (64 bit), W10 Home (64 bit)

    Agreed


    Quote Originally Posted by Jody Thornton View Post
    See I think what a lot of users REALLY want, and sometimes this includes me, is that there be NO changes to an OS at all. Just give us updates for the code we liked. So if you like how Windows 7 works now, just update it so it's secure enough to use.
    If W8 had followed this path it wouldn't have been a flop.

    IT admins would have had no hesitation recommending that it should be purchased and installed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jody Thornton View Post
    People in IT and "progessive" disciplines keep citing that change is good right? Really? I think humans, as in all other animals, are really creatures of habit. Nobody REALLY likes change at all.
    Change is OK as long as it makes things better, not worse.

    Change because "marketing thinks it should be changed" is why so much stuff is worthless disposable junk these days.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jody Thornton View Post
    The only ones that do are those that belong to corporations, because of greed and the ever-growing want for insane profit levels. Those of us who just want to go about our lives want familiarity.
    Agreed.

    The entire economy is based on people buying stuff they don't need, with money they don't have so that the Corporations can make a bigger profit than the previous one.

    Is it any wonder that the economy is so unstable and prone to random catastrophic collapses?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jody Thornton View Post
    So what if it looks like 1999? UI "Innovations" such as the Ribbon, or Metro (er, Modern) although they have attracted fans were indeed solutions to a problem that didn't exist.
    Agreed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald View Post
    Oh, wait; you wanted me to answer that. All seriousness aside , imaging is essential for backing up the OS and programs; it's imaging data that is inefficient. Folder/file syncing is a fare more efficient way to backup data than imaging.
    I don't trust sync (more accurately I don't trust myself to set it correctly).
    When I've looked at sync programs, the warnings I've seen fill me with dread.

    I'm more likely to auto sync an empty disc to my data disc (thus obliterating everything) than to get it the right way around.
    I "manually sync" some stuff, which is time consuming and error prone.

    Thus I prefer to create full backup images.
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  7.    02 Feb 2015 #197
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    Quote Originally Posted by Emma View Post
    ...By the way I am probably the oldest PC user in this forum. I was 78 last month. Right now I feel like I am 100, but hopefully the surgeon will fix that problem tomorrow. I have a torn meniscus, the pain is so bad when stand up it makes me want to scream. Right now I am sooooo thirsty, no water until after surgery.
    Bummer! I hope your surgery goes very well!
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  8.    02 Feb 2015 #198
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    KS
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    W 7 desktop Home Premium 64 - OS

    Thanks, a lot of surgery like this doesn't work well, but I have to try.
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  9.    02 Feb 2015 #199
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    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    ...
    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald View Post
    Oh, wait; you wanted me to answer that. All seriousness aside , imaging is essential for backing up the OS and programs; it's imaging data that is inefficient. Folder/file syncing is a fare more efficient way to backup data than imaging.
    I don't trust sync (more accurately I don't trust myself to set it correctly).
    When I've looked at sync programs, the warnings I've seen fill me with dread.

    I'm more likely to auto sync an empty disc to my data disc (thus obliterating everything) than to get it the right way around.
    I "manually sync" some stuff, which is time consuming and error prone.

    Thus I prefer to create full backup images.
    It doesn't have to be difficult to set up a syncing program, especially if you have all your data on its own drive. With FreeFileSync, just set to Mirror, then pick the drive you want to backup, then the drive to send the backup to. You can even designate the destination drive by drive name instead of drive letter since external drive letters can change spontaneously. There are other bells and whistles one can set up, such as Versioning but the basic backup is easy. One of these days, I'm going to sit down and write a tutorial on how to set up and run basic backups.

    I've found FFS to be completely reliable. When I started using it, I was a bit anxious about how reliable and laboriously checked it several times a week until I grew confident in its reliability. I recently learned of a hack that sets FFS top verify each file as it copies it over, etc. (it involves making a setting change in the GlobalSettings.xml file in AppData) so I have even less concern over FFS' reliability. Being able to backup a HDD with 900GB of data in an average of ten minutes beats the big fat holy hairy heck out of almost four hours to make an image and verify it. Being able to do a backup so quickly allows me to do two backups of each of three data drives every day. I can run all my AV and anti-malware scans, then backup all my data during the news hour on all days but Friday when I run full scans and image my boot drive; even then, I can get it all done in an hour and a half while watching TV.
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  10.    02 Feb 2015 #200
    Join Date : Sep 2014
    Nashville, TN
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    Windows 10 Pro

    Too many comments to keep track of here... but let me say a few things based on what I have read here:

    Backups to other disks (ie syncs, even imaging really) are inherently dangerous. First, there are many things that can occur that will destroy all attached drives to a system. I once had a power supply quite literally explode on me, sending a power surge through the entire system and destroying my mirrored "backup" drives as well as my primary drives. These surges can even pass through network cables and USB ports. So even external storage that's on your same network can be affected. This is not as rare as you might think it is.

    Secondly, in the last few years there has been a HUGE increase in "ransom ware". This is malware that encrypts all files it can 'see" on your system. Then demands you pay a ransom to get the files back... in some cases paying this fee works, in other cases it doesn't... regardless any drives that your computer can see would be affected, and all your backups would be encrypted by the malware as well.

    The only solutions to these problems are disconnected backups. That is, remote network backups that are not directly accessible, or where you take a backup done to external storage and physically disconnect it. Most people don't do this. If you're backing up using file syncing.. then any change can also overwrite your synced files.. so a ransomware app can encrypt your files, then your sync comes along and overwrites your good files with your encrypted ones... So you need multiple, versioned backups.

    Anything else is very risky and dangerous. Allowing your OS to become out of date, means you are now susceptible to existing and known attack vectors. This is why using XP today is dangerous. Not just for you, but your computer can be taken over and used as an attack vector for others, making you part of the problem overall. Often times people don't even know their systems have been compromised in these ways, and they are acting as an attack vector without even knowing it.

    Simply put, the internet is a dangerous place.. And going on the internet with known vulnerable software is irresponsible as a whole, even if you have the opinion that you have nothing that would be damaged by an attack. Most people really have no idea what kind of risks they are taking.. how attackers can get knowledge, such as their banking credentials, or enough information to steal their identity. Just by using infected software that they don't know is infected, usually because they were callous about their security precautions.

    But hey, 50% of the people will give up their password for a piece of chocolate... so I guess it doesn't really matter...
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