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  1. Joined : Oct 2013
    Posts : 1,962
    Windows 7
       01 Feb 2015 #161

    Emma said: View Post
    I don't understand this vulnerability/security thing. There seems to be such a terrible fear of an infection. I don't know of any computer user who has loss the use of their computer permanently due to an infection. As long as they have a back up CD or have the factory recovery disks they will be okay. I know people who don't do W updates and haven't for years. I know someone who has never done W updates and has never had infection or hacker. He still uses W 98 and xps.
    An infection can happen to anybody and that can be pretty bad. A reinstall is always an option but a better strategy is to make frequent images - at least once per week. Then you can only lose a maximum of a weeks worth of work and data. But usually you can recover even that data with a live linux CD or stick - like this one. Or if you like a simpler version, take this one. One of those options should be in your kit.
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  2. Joined : Mar 2014
    Cape Breton Nova Scotia ,Canada
    Posts : 2,917
    insider build 10586.3 win10 pro 64
       01 Feb 2015 #162

    Lady Fitzgerald said: View Post
    BunnyJ said: View Post
    Lady Fitzgerald said: View Post
    BunnyJ said: View Post
    Greed?? I can't agree with that. But, I don't want to get into a discussion about that subject here. I think that change is a good thing and people can adapt to it. We've been doing that for ages and will for a very long time to come. Some changes are bad but not all of them and making blank statements is silly, IMO.

    I used to dig LP's but I really love CD's. The sound is better and they don't have the dust issues and static that LP's have.

    Jeff
    Change isn't always a good thing, especially change for change's sake. Why should I (or anyone else, for that matter) adapt to change if it isn't beneficial? If change benefits me, I'm all over it. But, if it doesn't benefit me overall, forget it! In the case of Win 10, I haven't seen anything new that I would benefit from that I'm not already getting from third party add-ons with Win 7 (many which do a better job than Win 10). I still have two retail copies of Win 7 (Home Premium and Ultimate) I haven't used yet. All my programs and hardware is compatible with Win 7; that may or may not be true with Win 10 and it may be a while after Win 10 has been out before some of them, if any, will be compatitble from updates in the programs or hardware drivers. I just don't see the point in upgrading from an OS that fully meets my needs to one that probably will not from the start and will probably cost me money in needed upgrades in programs and hardware.
    I don't think I meant that anyone had to adapt to the new OS. IF you read post #154 you'll see that I don't think that if people like Win7 should update to Win10.

    Jeff
    You're contradicting yourself. You said change is a good thing, as though it always is. I said change isn't always a good thing and gave an example in the context of this topic. another example would be smart phones. I wouldn't mind having one but, being on a so called fixed income, I don't need another large monthly bill and the benefits of a smart phone do not outweigh the disadvantages of that large bill. I've done just fine without one for all my life. I have an ancient prepaid cell phone (an Oystr; go ahead and laugh but it's paid for) I carry for emergencies that stays off unless I need to use it. The benefits of that outweighs the small average monthly cost.
    I'm with you if I had my way I would be living in the cabin in the woods with a beer fridge and the daily new paper
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  3. Joined : Nov 2013
    Land of 10,000 lakes
    Posts : 10,346
    W10 Pro, W10 Home
       01 Feb 2015 #163

    BunnyJ said: View Post
    I like change and you don't.. I'm fine with that.
    While I'm not always a big fan of change, I do enjoy playing around with new technology, which makes it easier to adapt.
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  4. Joined : Jan 2014
    Posts : 246
       01 Feb 2015 #164

    BunnyJ said: View Post
    I like change and you don't.. I'm fine with that.

    Jeff
    The issue isn't whether one of us likes or dislikes change; it's about whether change is good in itself. You apparently feel all change is good; I feel only some change is good and it will vary from person to person.
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  5. Joined : Jan 2014
    Oak Ridge TN, USA
    Posts : 23,939
    Windows 10 Pro x64
       01 Feb 2015 #165

    Lady Fitzgerald said: View Post
    BunnyJ said: View Post
    I like change and you don't.. I'm fine with that.

    Jeff
    The issue isn't whether one of us likes or dislikes change; it's about whether change is good in itself. You apparently feel all change is good; I feel only some change is good and it will vary from person to person.
    I totally agree with you.

    Jeff
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  6. Joined : Jan 2014
    Posts : 246
       01 Feb 2015 #166

    whs said: View Post
    Emma said: View Post
    I don't understand this vulnerability/security thing. There seems to be such a terrible fear of an infection. I don't know of any computer user who has loss the use of their computer permanently due to an infection. As long as they have a back up CD or have the factory recovery disks they will be okay. I know people who don't do W updates and haven't for years. I know someone who has never done W updates and has never had infection or hacker. He still uses W 98 and xps.
    An infection can happen to anybody and that can be pretty bad. A reinstall is always an option but a better strategy is to make frequent images - at least once per week. Then you can only lose a maximum of a weeks worth of work and data. But usually you can recover even that data with a live linux CD or stick - like this one. Or if you like a simpler version, take this one. One of those options should be in your kit.
    If one keeps their data segrated from the OS and programs, either on a separate drive or a separate partition, there is no need to have to recover any data lost when restoring from an earlier image. Imaging, while pretty much essential for backing up system files (OS and programs), is an extremely time consuming, bulky, and inefficient way to backup data. Data, as long as it is segregated from the system, is much better backed up with a folder/file syncing program, such as FreeFileSync. I image once a week and just before making any major changes, such as changing system settings or instlling new hardware or software. folder/file syncing is so fast, I can easily do it daily and anytime after I've added some critical data.
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  7. Joined : Jan 2014
    Posts : 246
       01 Feb 2015 #167

    BunnyJ said: View Post
    Lady Fitzgerald said: View Post
    BunnyJ said: View Post
    I like change and you don't.. I'm fine with that.

    Jeff
    The issue isn't whether one of us likes or dislikes change; it's about whether change is good in itself. You apparently feel all change is good; I feel only some change is good and it will vary from person to person.
    I totally agree with you.

    Jeff
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  8.    01 Feb 2015 #168

    Lady Fitzgerald said: View Post
    You're contradicting yourself. You said change is a good thing, as though it always is. I said change isn't always a good thing and gave an example in the context of this topic. another example would be smart phones. I wouldn't mind having one but, being on a so called fixed income, I don't need another large monthly bill and the benefits of a smart phone do not outweigh the disadvantages of that large bill. I've done just fine without one for all my life. I have an ancient prepaid cell phone (an Oystr; go ahead and laugh but it's paid for) I carry for emergencies that stays off unless I need to use it. The benefits of that outweighs the small average monthly cost.
    I mean no disrespect to Jeff at all (just an opinion here), but I always wondered if he wasn't being a bit "too agreeable" if that makes sense, in regards to both change and Windows 10. . It's as if he'll accept and adapt whatever comes, good or bad. Sometimes I believe change is good too. I can see the value of Windows 8.1 and 10, because I can just not use the Modern stuff, whereas I really like how my Vista setup runs. I wish I could just retain it indefinitely. So I wish I could stay with the status quo in this case.

    Again, no offense meant Jeff, just an observation.
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  9. Joined : Nov 2013
    Land of 10,000 lakes
    Posts : 10,346
    W10 Pro, W10 Home
       01 Feb 2015 #169

    Lady Fitzgerald said: View Post
    If one keeps their data segrated from the OS and programs, either on a separate drive or a separate partition, there is no need to have to recover any data lost when restoring from an earlier image. Imaging, while pretty much essential for backing up system files (OS and programs), is an extremely time consuming, bulky, and inefficient way to backup data. Data, as long as it is segregated from the system, is much better backed up with a folder/file syncing program, such as FreeFileSync. I image once a week and just before making any major changes, such as changing system settings or instlling new hardware or software. folder/file syncing is so fast, I can easily do it daily and anytime after I've added some critical data.
    I have been saving my data to separate drives for years now. It really helps to keep the drive with the OS installed much smaller in size and quicker to create system images of.
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  10. Joined : Oct 2014
    Posts : 1,542
    W7 32 bit, Linux Mint Xfce 18 64 bit
       01 Feb 2015 #170

    Lady Fitzgerald said: View Post
    whs said: View Post
    Emma said: View Post
    I don't understand this vulnerability/security thing. There seems to be such a terrible fear of an infection. I don't know of any computer user who has loss the use of their computer permanently due to an infection. As long as they have a back up CD or have the factory recovery disks they will be okay. I know people who don't do W updates and haven't for years. I know someone who has never done W updates and has never had infection or hacker. He still uses W 98 and xps.
    An infection can happen to anybody and that can be pretty bad. A reinstall is always an option but a better strategy is to make frequent images - at least once per week. Then you can only lose a maximum of a weeks worth of work and data. But usually you can recover even that data with a live linux CD or stick - like this one. Or if you like a simpler version, take this one. One of those options should be in your kit.
    If one keeps their data segrated from the OS and programs, either on a separate drive or a separate partition, there is no need to have to recover any data lost when restoring from an earlier image. Imaging, while pretty much essential for backing up system files (OS and programs), is an extremely time consuming, bulky, and inefficient way to backup data. Data, as long as it is segregated from the system, is much better backed up with a folder/file syncing program, such as FreeFileSync. I image once a week and just before making any major changes, such as changing system settings or instlling new hardware or software. folder/file syncing is so fast, I can easily do it daily and anytime after I've added some critical data.
    Lady Fitzgerald;
    May I ask why imaging is inefficient? I have a small hard drive 500 gb, it only take my about 15 to 20 minutes to restore from an image, if I am worried about an infection, then I use the mini partition wizard boot cd and delete all partitions and create a new one, which takes about 5 minutes more. To me, an image beats having to reinstall all your applications, drivers, etc
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