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  1. Layback Bear's Avatar
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       #261

    Does anybody know if the new one will have Windows Media Center and Window Media Player? I do like them both.
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  2.    #262

    alphanumeric said:
    adamf said:
    COMPUTIAC said:
    z3r010 said:
    This is more than a one-time upgrade: once a Windows device is upgraded to Windows 10, we will continue to keep it current for the supported lifetime of the device – at no additional charge.

    Well, that settles that.
    No it doesn't at all. What if I have 8.1 licensed in a VM (which I do). What is a device? What if I move from VBox to VMware? What if I add another processor? What if I decide to run it on real hardware rather than an VM?
    You likely have valid concerns, but for most people that have it installed on a physical device (PC) I think that answers the question. at least as far as who asked it anyway.
    I took it as a license is a license, no matter what it is installed on.
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  3. alphanumeric's Avatar
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       #263

    adamf said:
    alphanumeric said:

    You likely have valid concerns, but for most people that have it installed on a physical device (PC) I think that answers the question. at least as far as who asked it anyway.
    I have got TP installed (and licensed 8.1 in a VM I kept just in case). I'm not sure if I'm supposed to shuffle the licence around. Upgrade the VM? Move the VM back to real hardware to replace the preview as the primary OS? I'm going for 10 - I just haven't worked our how yet.
    I can't even begin to answer that? My gut instinct tells me VM's are except. I'm no IT pro so take that with a grain of salt.
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  4. Slartybart's Avatar
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       #264

    Thanks John, et al

    I just finished a fast play of the video - looks like a decent release both content and user presentation.

    We'll get to see how stable and coordinated the system is as a whole is when they drop it.

    Bill
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  5. alphanumeric's Avatar
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       #265

    Layback Bear said:
    Does anybody know if the new one will have Windows Media Center and Window Media Player? I do like them both.
    My guess is it will be like going from 8.0 to 8.1. If you have 8.1 Pro with Media center, and do the Store upgrade, you get 10 pro with Media Center. It's still so early, all this will firm out over time. it's a lot of guess work right now. At least for me it is. lol
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  6. JDobbsy1987's Avatar
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    Windows 10 Pro x64
       #266

    alphanumeric said:
    adamf said:
    alphanumeric said:

    You likely have valid concerns, but for most people that have it installed on a physical device (PC) I think that answers the question. at least as far as who asked it anyway.
    I have got TP installed (and licensed 8.1 in a VM I kept just in case). I'm not sure if I'm supposed to shuffle the licence around. Upgrade the VM? Move the VM back to real hardware to replace the preview as the primary OS? I'm going for 10 - I just haven't worked our how yet.
    I can't even begin to answer that? My gut instinct tells me VM's are except. I'm no IT pro so take that with a grain of salt.
    I may have misread the question but my understanding of M$ licensing is that both the host and VM needs a license/upgrade costs are the same.

    Please correct me if I'm wrong.

    Regards,
    Jamie
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  7. alphanumeric's Avatar
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    Windows 10 IoT
       #267

    JDobbsy1987 said:
    alphanumeric said:
    adamf said:
    alphanumeric said:

    You likely have valid concerns, but for most people that have it installed on a physical device (PC) I think that answers the question. at least as far as who asked it anyway.
    I have got TP installed (and licensed 8.1 in a VM I kept just in case). I'm not sure if I'm supposed to shuffle the licence around. Upgrade the VM? Move the VM back to real hardware to replace the preview as the primary OS? I'm going for 10 - I just haven't worked our how yet.
    I can't even begin to answer that? My gut instinct tells me VM's are except. I'm no IT pro so take that with a grain of salt.
    I may have misread the question but my understanding of M$ licensing is that both the host and VM needs a license/upgrade costs are the same.

    Please correct me if I'm wrong.

    Regards,
    Jamie
    When I said exempt, I meant they don't qualify for the free upgrade. I'm could be way off on that, like I said, I'm no IT Pro and don't claim to understand all those ins and outs.
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  8. Slartybart's Avatar
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    Win_8.1-Pro, Win_10.1607-Pro, Mint_17.3
       #268

    adamf said:
    I have got TP installed (and licensed 8.1 in a VM I kept just in case). I'm not sure if I'm supposed to shuffle the licence around. Upgrade the VM? Move the VM back to real hardware to replace the preview as the primary OS? I'm going for 10 - I just haven't worked out how yet.
    I have Win 8.1 with TP running in a VM (reverse of your setup). This probably applies to Win10, but don't quote me.

    I decided to set up a Win8 VM so I could play on that without breaking my live machine. It wouldn't activate because the license was already in use on another machine.

    A virtual machine is a different machine for all intents and purposes.
    Your physical machine can be 'upgraded' for the lifetime of that machine.
    Your VM can be 'upgraded' for the lifetime of that machine.
    Two machines - two different licenses.

    A dual boot? Same machine - same BIOS, different OS booted. I think this only matters if your machine was an OEM installed OS. I installed a retail version of 8.1 so there is no tie to the physical hardware
    (I'm not sure if 8.1 terminology or implementation is the same as Win7 - SLIC/SLP - but there is some equivalent)

    You'll probably have to put 8.1 on the physical machine to upgrade. The Win10 Preview release or RC won't work as the base for the upgrade (at least that's the way I understand it).

    Bill
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  9. alphanumeric's Avatar
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    Windows 10 IoT
       #269

    Windows 7 uses OA 2.1, OEM Activation version 2.1. On a factory OEM install it activates against a SLIC table in the BIOS. The SLIC table contains OEM info but no Product code. The install media has to have a matching certificate to the SLIC table for activation to work. Each manufacturer has a single master product code they use for that make and model PC. All the PC's from that manufacturer can have the same OEM product code. Windows 8 uses OA 3.0, OEM Activation version 3. There is no SLIC table for Windows 8, instead there is a unique product code embedded in the BIOS and activation is done online. The OEM's are given product codes to use and then submit their list of product codes used and the hardware hash for the motherboard they were used on. It's supposed to make pirating Windows harder. You can't fake the OEM BIOS as they each have a different product key embedded in them.
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  10. Posts : 1,557
    W10 32 bit, XUbuntu 18.xx 64 bit
       #270

    Cortana creeps me out a lot.
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