Can someone point me in the direction of the 'real' upgrade benefits

XweAponX said:

After the 3rd or so reboot after installing Windows 10, It detected my USB devices, an old HP Scanner, and a very old Brother HD-1230 Laser Printer. The Hardware Wizard asked be to activate 16-bit support for both devices - Which is "NTVDM" under "Legacy Components" In the Programs and Features area of Control Panel. I don't know if that selection is available for 64-bit OSes, but since it has not been available for all 64 bit OSes from Windows XP x64, it probably isn't available for Windows 10 either.

NTVDM only works for 32 bit systems from my understanding. Wine for windows is still in the early development stages at the moment, and that would work on 64 bit as well as 32 bit operating systems.

Under Windows XP, it's simply called "16-bit support", I think for Vista and 7 too.

It would be nice to have 16-bit support for 64-bit systems, if that is ever developed and released, it would solve a lot of my problems. If that happens, can you track me down? Haha.

XweAponX said:

There are viruses that send a log of keystrokes to the person who implanted it, but I don't know how they are implemented.

And? What does that have to do with the claim of a built-in keylogger in Windows 10?

Mystere said:

And? What does that have to do with the claim of a built-in keylogger in Windows 10?

Oh, is that what it was? Is someone claiming there is a keylogger built in?

It might be some system log file that logs input, actually I had heard Logs for certain browsers keep info on what keys are used. I know this has been done on Apple devices too, a certain log file shows what keys were used. I heard about this last summer, so maybe there is some way to dredge keyboard input from Windows 10. I doubt if it is an actual keylogger though.

I wouldnt worry about it though, all you need is a good AV program that halts web activity, and both Malwarebytes and ESET check for things like that.

I agree with that sentiment. If Windows 7 or 8.1 is working for don't upgrade. But realize that MS is pushing Windows 10 very hard. If you have automatic updates turn them off immediately. The Windows 10 upgrade will be offered anyway - just use the handy X in the upper right to close the dialog box. Unfortunately you can no longer say "No Thanks" to the upgrade - only Upgrade now or Upgrade Later., My wife has Windows 7 with about 150 programs. You can be sure I'm not even advise to upgrade (even though I'm an Insider) because for sure the upgrade will brick some of the apps. I've told her if she wants to see Windows 10 she can use VMware to access a VM on mly ESXi server. Otherwise she needs to image her own machine and I'll attempt to upgrade. Fortunately she doesn't seem inclined to upgrade

martyfelker said:

I agree with that sentiment. If Windows 7 or 8.1 is working for don't upgrade. But realize that MS is pushing Windows 10 very hard. If you have automatic updates turn them off immediately. The Windows 10 upgrade will be offered anyway - just use the handy X in the upper right to close the dialog box. Unfortunately you can no longer say "No Thanks" to the upgrade - only Upgrade now or Upgrade Later., My wife has Windows 7 with about 150 programs. You can be sure I'm not even advise to upgrade (even though I'm an Insider) because for sure the upgrade will brick some of the apps. I've told her if she wants to see Windows 10 she can use VMware to access a VM on mly ESXi server. Otherwise she needs to image her own machine and I'll attempt to upgrade. Fortunately she doesn't seem inclined to upgrade

Actually you can delete the ms update that implants "GWX", its KB303 something, 5585 I think. Google GWX and you'll find posts on how to remove it, then you can stick with win 7 with impunity.

Thanks all.

It seems all the sensible people have answered my question in that there is no real reason to upgrade, not yet anyway.

A lot of the things MS are pushing I really don't care about such as Cortana and Edge.

and features such as the always on updates is a major, huge problem in my opinion. No long ago I took my backup laptop, which had automatic backups switched on to a site to meet a client. Logged into their wifi and was immediately told Windows was installing updates and forced me to reboot. I sat there like a lemon for 50 minutes unable to work whilst windows did its stuff. Two days ago an update on my tablet took about 2 hours to configure, stopping me working on that system. Luckily that system is on manual updates and I chose to update at a quiet time.

One specific question of interest. How is explorer or file explorer in windows 10? Do MS still push you to their cloud and libraries? and have all the expanding tree faults been fixed?

riddell said:

and features such as the always on updates is a major, huge problem in my opinion. No long ago I took my backup laptop, which had automatic backups switched on to a site to meet a client. Logged into their wifi and was immediately told Windows was installing updates and forced me to reboot. I sat there like a lemon for 50 minutes unable to work whilst windows did its stuff. Two days ago an update on my tablet took about 2 hours to configure, stopping me working on that system. Luckily that system is on manual updates and I chose to update at a quiet time.

One specific question of interest. How is explorer or file explorer in windows 10? Do MS still push you to their cloud and libraries? and have all the expanding tree faults been fixed?

Here's a thought. If you were more proactive and applied updates regularly, at more opportune times, you wouldn't be in the problem of updates getting applied when you don't want them.

I always shake my head at people who don't apply any updates, or upgrades until they have to, and then they have tons of problems. Those problems would not have occurred if they had simply kept current. But oh well...

I have no idea what you mean by "expanding tree faults".

Mystere said:

I always shake my head at people who don't apply any updates, or upgrades until they have to, and then they have tons of problems. Those problems would not have occurred if they had simply kept current. But oh well...

I have no idea what you mean by "expanding tree faults".

What about the scenario I am very commonly in where I have absolutely zero faults? and my machine is running very nicely, smoothly, fast and reliable? In fact I never seem to have faults asides from those that are constantly present and MS never fixes such as the 'expanding tree faults'

Like many professional people I have several hard drives and networks that I access regularly. I know what I am doing, my directory structures and where I want to store or locate things. As a photographer I have terrabytes upon terrabytes of data, and deep complex directories.

Windows explorer worked perfectly in XP in my opinion. Since then there have been several very annoying issues such as.

1. Forcing libraries on people
2. Forcing cloud storage on people.
3. Having CP links in explorer.
4. The left panel folder links not expanding when I go deep into a directory structure, meaning I cannot easily see or navigate.
5. or using other options it always expands to the bottom so you can't see it.
6. Not having 'save as' as a simple default so I can put things where I want with my defaults.

and several similar other problems. They are all well documented and complained about on the internet.

I'm not going to get into an argument that you think libraries and cloud etc. are better, if you like them fine, whatever.
But its not good for me and I should be able to configure what I want.