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  1.    19 Jan 2016 #41
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    Quote Originally Posted by @[URL="https://www.tenforums.com/members/spacecon.html"
    spacecon[/URL],Apparently you did upgrade to Windows 10 from Windows 7 and that's why your System Reserved is only 100MB then Windows created an extra 450MB Recovery partition next to C Drive.
    As seen in post #36, even though Windows still boot up and working, your partition scheme is still a mess and might cause problem in future update.
    Thank you for the explanation which I partially understand. Yes, I did upgrade to W10 from W7. when I did, Windows put the recovery partition on the right side of the C drive. The reason I wanted to move it to the left side is so that when I make backups, it is easier to restore if there is nothing on the far right using the whole disk. If there is, then you either have to have a disk large enough to hold even the unallocated space, or you have to jump through a few more hoops. At least that is what I have found, which may not be totally correct.
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  2.    19 Jan 2016 #42
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    Quote Originally Posted by topgundcp View Post
    There's some confusion in this thread.
    The original thread starter was using a GPT disk type and the partition layout is correctly shown in post #19.
    ....
    You got it. My bad, my miss. Fixated on the 100 MB but missed that it would have clearly been labeled EFI in DM (even though label is truncated) if I had been correct in my interpretation. My apologies to spacecon on that.
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  3.    19 Jan 2016 #43
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    Quote Originally Posted by spacecon View Post
    Cerebrus, I appreciate your comments. Let me first say that I definitely am taking heed of your advice. I admit that I do not understand all of it all the time, but I re-read everything multiple times and try to proceed with caution. That being said,
    1. I did not move the partitions around for no reason. I had the recovery on the right end, after the C drive, and (as you pointed out) it is easier to resize the working C drive and makes backups and restores smaller and easier if the recovery is not on the right side of the C drive. So all I wanted to do was move the recovery to the other side of the C drive so that I could shrink or extend C drive as desired. I would think I am not the first to want to do that, but I don't know, maybe.
    2. I DID make backups (Macrium reflect) and I have those available, so I should be OK. Otherwise I would not have attempted this. So I can restore the image to what it was, but that will once again have the recovery on the right side of C drive.
    Again, thanks for the help. Am I totally off trying to make it easier to shrink/expand my C drive?
    Glad you made a backup. You are overcomplicating things.

    So long as recovery drive is moved to the far right, you can shrink or expand the C drive as much as you like (right up to the edge of the recovery partition).
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  4.    19 Jan 2016 #44
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    Quote Originally Posted by Word Man View Post
    Ugh! I would be nervous about this myself. Looks shady. In this particular case, I would: 1) do a complete disk image to external drive with Macrium Reflect (Free will work), 2) do a clean install of Windows 10, deleting ALL partitions using the "Custom" option, and then 3) restore the imaged 222 GB C: partition to the corresponding slot on the target disk.
    Ok, I agree that it doesn't look right to have this extra partition that I cannot figure out. When I use diskpart to try to delete partition 0 it tells me there is no volume. It also says it is a virtual disk and type 0F. I do not understand your instructions of doing a clean install and then restoring the C partition. The C partition is where Windows 10 is, so if I do a clean install and then restore C I will end up with windows twice? Here is what I intend to do:

    1. recover the image I made for this computer before I moved things around.
    2. Show you what I have in diskpart and Disk Manager.
    3. Ask what I should do next (maybe nothing?)

    Thanks again. As you can probably tell, I am not well versed in disk management. But I do make a lot of backups just in case!
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  5.    19 Jan 2016 #45
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    Quote Originally Posted by cereberus View Post
    Glad you made a backup. You are overcomplicating things.

    So long as recovery drive is moved to the far right, you can shrink or expand the C drive as much as you like (right up to the edge of the recovery partition).
    Yes, I can shrink the C drive to give unallocated space, but the recovery partition is still on the far right, beyond the unallocated space. So when I try to use Macrium Reflect to restore to a different disk I have to have one larger than the original, one large enough to handle the extra space that is unallocated, or else I get an error message that it cannot restore. I believe it tries to put the restore partition in the same position on disk that it was originally, even though there is spare space that is unallocated. I think there are ways around that, but I thought I could avoid it altogether by "simply" moving the recovery partition to the left. Obviously not so simple after all.
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  6.    19 Jan 2016 #46
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    Quote Originally Posted by spacecon View Post
    Ok, I agree that it doesn't look right to have this extra partition that I cannot figure out. When I use diskpart to try to delete partition 0 it tells me there is no volume. It also says it is a virtual disk and type 0F. I do not understand your instructions of doing a clean install and then restoring the C partition. The C partition is where Windows 10 is, so if I do a clean install and then restore C I will end up with windows twice? Here is what I intend to do:

    1. recover the image I made for this computer before I moved things around.
    2. Show you what I have in diskpart and Disk Manager.
    3. Ask what I should do next (maybe nothing?)

    Thanks again. As you can probably tell, I am not well versed in disk management. But I do make a lot of backups just in case!
    Sorry for lack of clarity on replacing the C: partition, spacecon. First, have a look at this tutorial of Brink's with particular focus on Steps 10 & 12: https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/1...n-install.html

    The concept is to do a truly clean install solely for the purpose of getting a fresh slate on the way Windows installs partitions.

    The next step is to simply restore ONLY the C: partition from the Macrium image (NOT the entire disk) and to restore it to (and completely overwrite) the C: partition that was created by Windows (delete this new C: partition from clean install from within the Macrium WinPE rescue environment). In this case, assuming you will indeed do Legacy BIOS booted install to an MBR type disk, you should only end up with a 500 MB recovery partition on the left and the rest as the C: partition.

    I think this method will give you a very seamless "proper" partition layout and the ability to expand and shrink C: partition at will.

    Although clean installed, you will not lose anything as long as you're restoring ONLY your original C: partition from Macrium and everything should work as usual - difference here being no more screwiness and interference among partitions.

    Note that, as I recall, your originally backed up C: partition is smaller than the one you'll end up with after clean install. You can either a) resize the C: partition you're restoring to fill up the clean install C: partition - on the fly within Macrium's WinPE rescue environment - while setting up the restore, or b) just restore the partition as originally sized in the slot you open within Macrium rescue, and then expand this partition later with Disk Management.

    Depending on how proficient you are with Macrium, we (me or another member) can give you a little more concise and illustrated recipe for the Macrium restore steps - just let us know.
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  7.    19 Jan 2016 #47
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    Quote Originally Posted by Word Man View Post
    Sorry for lack of clarity on replacing the C: partition, spacecon. First, have a look at this tutorial of Brink's with particular focus on Steps 10 & 12: https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/1...n-install.html
    Depending on how proficient you are with Macrium, we (me or another member) can give you a little more concise and illustrated recipe for the Macrium restore steps - just let us know.
    Wordman, thank you for the detailed explanation that makes sense. I will review the tutorial to make sure I understand what is going on. Then I will compare that to what I currently have (which as of now is the restored image of what it was before I started messing with moving the recovery to the left of C). After reviewing, I am sure I will have questions and need some guidance.

    Thank you for your patience and understanding.
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  8.    19 Jan 2016 #48
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    No problem, spacecon. Thanks for sticking with it and also your patience.
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  9.    20 Jan 2016 #49
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    question about clean install tutorial


    Hi Wordman, I have read the tutorial for the clean install. I have a question about this note: It mentions a 450MB system reserved and twice also mentions a 350MB system reserved. I am thinking that maybe it is typos and the 350MB instances should really say 450MB? Are are there two different system reserves?

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  10.    20 Jan 2016 #50
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    Quote Originally Posted by spacecon View Post
    Hi Wordman, I have read the tutorial for the clean install. I have a question about this note: It mentions a 450MB system reserved and twice also mentions a 350MB system reserved. I am thinking that maybe it is typos and the 350MB instances should really say 450MB? Are are there two different system reserves?

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    Hi, spacecon.

    I think the 350 MB may be a typo (either mistyped or not updated as things changed) BUT, I would suggest you can ask @Brink about this and get his own clarification or correction - either by PMing him or by posting in the thread that trails the tutorial.

    NOTE:
    The "450 MB System Reserved" partition Brink describes is what you would get if you have UEFI booting in BIOS, i.e., Windows will (after you delete all partitions) install to and format your disk with a GPT partition scheme. Since you currently seem to have an MBR disk scheme, and assuming your BIOS is only capable of "Legacy" booting (i.e., non-UEFI), Windows will install to and format your disk with an MBR partition scheme - in this case, you will have a 500 MB "System Reserved" partition to the left of your C: partition, as topgundcp pointed out earlier.
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