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  1.    27 Nov 2014 #21
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    Windows 10 9841

    I've been using it since October and love it so far.
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  2.    28 Nov 2014 #22
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    "Microsoft to unveil Windows 10 consumer features at January event"
    Microsoft to unveil Windows 10 consumer features at January event | The Verge

    Do you think it's a coincidence that they're not releasing another version of the Preview until then?
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  3.    28 Nov 2014 #23
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    Oak Ridge TN, USA
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    Quote Originally Posted by usasma View Post
    "Microsoft to unveil Windows 10 consumer features at January event"
    Microsoft to unveil Windows 10 consumer features at January event | The Verge

    Do you think it's a coincidence that they're not releasing another version of the Preview until then?
    Hmm.. I think that part of the reason is the holidays. Thanksgiving/Christmas vacations are going to leave MS(and other companies) a bit short handed so the new build is delayed as a result of that.

    Jeff
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  4.    28 Nov 2014 #24
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    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    W10 needs to work out-of-the-box AND not be annoying.
    I'm just curious .. what do you mean by annoying??

    Jeff
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  5.    28 Nov 2014 #25
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    W7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), LM 18.2 MATE (64 bit), W10 Home (64 bit)

    Quote Originally Posted by BunnyJ View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    W10 needs to work out-of-the-box AND not be annoying.
    I'm just curious .. what do you mean by annoying??

    Jeff
    The W8 series.
    Specifically:
    • Start Screen
    • Hidden controls
    • Invisible Hot Spots
    • Charms bar
    • Dual Control Panels
    • Metro Apps "Drag to Close"
    • Blinding Diamond White theme
    • The way MS split up the Personalize options (the ones they didn't remove entirely) and then hid them in random locations

    If I created a new W8 VM I could probably list more stuff.

    W8.1 set to "All Apps" & "Boot to Desktop" was slightly less annoying.
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  6.    28 Nov 2014 #26
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    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BunnyJ View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    W10 needs to work out-of-the-box AND not be annoying.
    I'm just curious .. what do you mean by annoying??

    Jeff
    The W8 series.
    Specifically:
    • Start Screen
    • Hidden controls
    • Invisible Hot Spots
    • Charms bar
    • Dual Control Panels
    • Metro Apps "Drag to Close"
    • Blinding Diamond White theme
    • The way MS split up the Personalize options (the ones they didn't remove entirely) and then hid them in random locations


    W8.1 set to "All Apps" & "Boot to Desktop" was slightly less annoying.
    Thanks for expanding on that. It helps me, at least, to fully know what you meant by annoying rather than me guessing or making assumptions.

    Have a good day.
    Jeff
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  7.    28 Nov 2014 #27
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    Not only W8


    Quote Originally Posted by BunnyJ View Post
    Thanks for expanding on that. It helps me, at least, to fully know what you meant by annoying rather than me guessing or making assumptions.
    No problems.
    "Annoying" also varies from person to person.

    IMO, a lot of the time when people say, "W8 is hard to use", they actually mean annoying.

    Just to be clear, I'm not claiming that other versions of Windows were perfect.

    For example, annoyances in W7:
    • The OS ignores the "Read-only" attribute (Windows started doing this after XP)
    • The Navigation pane's uncontrollable auto-scroll
    • Apparently List view also has uncontrollable auto-scroll
    • The horrible Network Manager which can't even determine that the network is actually working
    • The extra clicks required to configure the OS, compared to XP
    • The removal of customisable toolbars in Windows Explorer (and the Up arrow)

    Some of those annoyances (if not all of them) were introduced in Vista.
    Many of them continue through to W10.

    One overall annoyance with all versions of Windows that I have used (excluding Server) is no advanced options during installation:
    • Selecting User folder location
    • Selecting Program folder location
    • Selecting Features
    • Exporting/importing installations selections to a file (Windows Server does have this)


    Fedora and OpenSUSE could do this the last time I installed them (I'm not sure about export/import).
    You could customise the the install from Terminal only (no Help files) to install everything.
    Last edited by lehnerus2000; 04 Dec 2014 at 10:24. Reason: Layout
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  8.    02 Dec 2014 #28

    What I find annoying about Windows 10, is why do we need another tiled menu any way. You have the start screen which is the more optimum choice for tiles IMO.

    Again they should have left it like 8.1, added a windows 7 menu and keep the windowed Metro apps. Why all this other garbage is beyond my reasoning.
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  9.    02 Dec 2014 #29
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trust_No1 View Post
    What I find annoying about Windows 10, is why do we need another tiled menu any way. You have the start screen which is the more optimum choice for tiles IMO.

    Again they should have left it like 8.1, added a windows 7 menu and keep the windowed Metro apps. Why all this other garbage is beyond my reasoning.
    Because, for example, some Users who use Modern Apps and use the Start Menu may want to get a quick glance at a live tile.

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  10.    02 Dec 2014 #30
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    good post


    below is one of the best posts I've seen in awhile, in the fast-fading world of windows PC forums. I see the death of formerly good forums as "sign of the end". Windows won't go out with a big war, but is rather just receding into niches. Think Sun.

    The ONLY market that matters to Microsoft is the Corporate one right now. The consumer niches cannot save their bacon. The 'perfect storm' of continuing malware/clogware/bloatware/adware/interfereware/theftware, the horrible offerings of PC Vendors [understandable], and the disastrous numbers on Windows 8/8.1, and most importantly the takeover of the users hands by handsets, all have converged to put them out of misery. The PC makers are failing to turn a profit. HP could not find a buyer for their PC business so they are forced to spin it off to get that mess off their corporate books before it sinks the whole ship. Dell doesn't have to report what they don't want to so its unclear whether they can turn a profit anymore. Having worked there, I doubt it. Why bother?

    The corporate market didn't just say "no" to Windows 8, they moved on. Many are looking seriously at offering tablets as workstations on the next rev. Whose tablets? The only coffin nail missing right now is the "dockable android handset" - a "cellphone" that simply works like a PC when thrown on the "desk" connected to a high-def monitor, keyboard, mouse/pointer. It can be done now but its too tricky. The big players are wary of taking it there, and Apple won't. They can't afford to. So MS has just a sliver of hope but I for one don't think they survive as the default workstation for the big companies [which are getting bigger, btw, as small biz is destroyed in the West]

    So 10 is a Must-Win. So far, my contacts are leaning favorable, but with no commits.

    thanks lehnerus for sobering the view!

    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BunnyJ View Post
    Thanks for expanding on that. It helps me, at least, to fully know what you meant by annoying rather than me guessing or making assumptions.
    No problems.
    "Annoying" also varies from person to person.

    IMO, a lot of the time when people say, "W8 is hard to use", they actually mean annoying.

    Just to be clear, I'm not claiming that other versions of Windows were perfect.

    For example, annoyances in W7:
    • The OS ignores the "Read-only" attribute (Windows started doing this after XP)
    • The Navigation pane's uncontrollable auto-scroll
    • Apparently List view also has uncontrollable auto-scroll
    • The horrible Network Manager which can't even determine that the network is actually working
    • The extra clicks required to configure the OS, compared to XP
    • The removal of customisable toolbars in Windows Explorer (and the Up arrow)

    Some of those annoyances (if not all of them) were introduced in Vista.
    Many of them continue through to W10.

    One overall annoyance with all versions of Windows that I have used (excluding Server) is no advanced options during installation:
    • Selecting User folder location
    • Selecting Program folder location
    • Selecting Features
    • Exporting/importing installations selections to a file (Windows Server does have this)


    Fedora and OpenSUSE could do this the last time I installed them (I'm not sure about export/import).
    You could customise the the install from, Terminal only (no Help files) to install everything.
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