Happily I'll never have to do this again

essenbe said:

Microsoft provides drivers released to them by the manufacturers of the components. If Intel supplies a defective driver, I think you are being too harsh on Microsoft. The manufacturers deserve much of the blame.

No, it's not true.

I have an ASUS with apparent Intel 4th generation Graphics; but customized by Asus.

When I go to Asus site, it will recommends using a specific version of driver (not the latest), and it works for build 10240, and says the HW is incompatible with TH2

When I use Intel update driver tool, it refuses to update my driver because it detects Asus specific

However if I let Windows update the drivers, it uses a wrong driver and make my computer crashes.
Similarly when I update to TH2, MS takes a liberty to use a wrong driver and it crashes the in the middle of the upgrading.

The fault is then entirely MS.

When I was using Vista, W7 or W8, I never have to worry about such issues with drivers.

I consider seriously buying my next computer with non windows OS after 25 years of MS loyal customer.

Bruno Luong said:

DeaconFrost, yes mostly driver issues, but with all due respect :

- Microsoft is responsible for not ensure enough backward compatible
- Microsoft don't let user chose what driver to install by the politics of automatic update
- Microsoft deploy drivers that is indeed incompatible with hardware (for example Intel graphics drivers on some Asus computers)
- Microsoft force update without checking potential compatibility with the hardware

Those are problematic since Windows 10.

I regret to move to Windows 10. If to do again, I would stay on Windows 8.1 (now it's too late)

Some of your bullet points don't mesh with my personal experiences. It is literally impossible for Microsoft to ensure compatibility with every hardware combination in existence. On the flip side, Apple shouldn't have any software issues, yet they have quite a bit as well. If Apple can't get it right all the time with their own hardware in a closed architecture, how can anyone reasonably expect Microsoft to do so with billions of hardware iterations?

No one is stopping you from having the proper drivers saved to a flash drive, ready to go after the install, rather than relying an updaters or Windows Update.

DeaconFrost said:

Some of your bullet points don't mesh with my personal experiences. It is literally impossible for Microsoft to ensure compatibility with every hardware combination in existence. On the flip side, Apple shouldn't have any software issues, yet they have quite a bit as well. If Apple can't get it right all the time with their own hardware in a closed architecture, how can anyone reasonably expect Microsoft to do so with billions of hardware iterations?

No one is stopping you from having the proper drivers saved to a flash drive, ready to go after the install, rather than relying an updaters or Windows Update.

- Of course it mine experience and I have greatly suffered from crashes to strange things on sleep/hibernates, etc...
- I have all my working set drivers save now (never have to wonder about such things under Vista to 8.1)
- I disabled MS driver automatic update, and strangely some time it sill does the update in some driver!!!
- When I update TH2, MS overwrite my drivers that I know it works (such as Intel Graphics) that leads to crash.

Just look at how many problem reported here, it's overwhelming. This OS development philosophy and deployment is a catastrophic.

BunnyJ said:

+1, Drivers are created by hardware vendors and not MS. MS is not the one to blame. When 10 first came out there were lots of driver compatibility issues and the vendors have mostly caught up with updating them.

No please read again, both ASUS and Intel sites document correctly which driver works on my HW, and only MS use a wrong driver. Drivers are none of MS business, but the MS Update is just awfully rigid and non-rigorously tested stubbornly feed my computers and the wrong one again and again.

Bruno Luong said:

Just look at how many problem reported here, it's overwhelming. This OS development philosophy and deployment is a catastrophic.

I would have assumed this was common sense. People don't flock to forum boards to tell everyone that their system works perfectly fine. Any forum on any topic is full of people with questions or problems.

You, as well as a few others on here, need to realize that the vast majority of people who switched to Windows 10 did so without issue. Just check out the polls on sites like Neowin. If the vast majority had issues, then Microsoft would be to blame. Anytime there is an upgrade of any kind like this, even outside the Windows world, there will be people who have issues. Just because your upgrade didn't go smoothly or come with a signed photo of Satya Nadella, doesn't mean Microsoft failed.

CountMike said:

What about WDDM drivers, they are supposed to be certified by MS ?

I (and MS) only install WHQL drivers, that does not prevent they are WRONG. For example if I update the driver of my Intel Graphics by clicking on "Search automatically for updates driver software", MS will load the one that leads to BSOD. This driver is NOT amended by ASUS and INTEL. So who's fault?