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  1.    18 Nov 2015 #31
    Join Date : Nov 2015
    West Bend, Wisconsin
    Posts : 710
    Windows 10 home 64bit 1511 (OSbuild 10586.63)

    Everything has a purpose and everything will not always be perfect. I am one of the few who had no major issues upgrading my computer I activated on December 26, 2014 with windows 8.1 to Windows 10 on November 5, 2015. To this day things are still going strong. I bought this computer as a christmas present for myself on December 20, 2014. As most issues go it is usally not the companies fault but user error.
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  2.    18 Nov 2015 #32
    Join Date : Jul 2014
    Serbia
    Posts : 10,616
    W10 Insider + Linux

    Geez, i just wrote half a page about drivers and their complexity and lost power for a second. I ain't about to start all over again but let me just remind you about DOS days. At that time programs, every program, had to work almost directly with HW which meant that even smallest program had to "know" how every piece of HW works in order to work with all the computers running DOS. At that time variety of HW was minuscule comparing to today's conditions. Imagine a today's program, even if it's just few lines of code it would be worth gigabytes by the time it's ready to work on all the combinations of HW.
    That's why APIs were invented, they are common hooks in windows to drivers and they are responsibility of MS while parts manufacturers have to make the rest of a driver to conform to those conditions. DirectX is one good example of a collection of APIs.
    So as you see, there's no one side that has to be given kudos or lay a blame on. Of course there's much more to it, anybody remembers start of P&P (Plug and Play) and the namee we used to call it, Plug and Pray ? It's much better now but scarcely anybody pays attention to it or even know of it's existence.
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  3.    18 Nov 2015 #33
    Join Date : Aug 2015
    Central Florida
    Posts : 131
    Windows 10

    Count, your showing your age. �� Not that many go back that far these days. Just think what it would be like if people had to install modems like we used to. Also remember when MS first included usb support, when there wasn't any usb hardware to support? Ah, the good old days. ��
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  4.    19 Nov 2015 #34
    Join Date : Jul 2014
    Serbia
    Posts : 10,616
    W10 Insider + Linux

    Quote Originally Posted by KACI View Post
    Count, your showing your age. �� Not that many go back that far these days. Just think what it would be like if people had to install modems like we used to. Also remember when MS first included usb support, when there wasn't any usb hardware to support? Ah, the good old days. ��
    Yes, I remember USB ind Firewire, years passed until something useful showed up for them but I was already middle aged than.
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  5.    19 Nov 2015 #35
    Join Date : Nov 2015
    Posts : 6
    10
    Thread Starter

    I love this sort of debate, what it really shows is that we all have our own perspective when it comes down to it. That's fine, but accusing users of the problems is a bit much. Yes you will get some that are ignorant of how to prepare a PC for upgrade, but MS is putting this out to the general public to do, their choice!
    My point was that even on a bog standard PC in excellent working order I came a cropper and wasted a day of my own time (and expertise) rectifying it. If I knew beforehand what would happen I wouldn't have done it, would I?
    If, as suggested, a clean install of 10 is required that's fine too, but it's not what we were offered.
    Of course, years ago I'd have been rubbing my hands with glee at all the extra work coming my way, col.
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  6.    19 Nov 2015 #36
    Join Date : Jul 2015
    Posts : 9,551
    Windows 10 Pro

    What I don't like is people claiming that Windows 10 is no good for anyone.
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  7.    19 Nov 2015 #37
    Join Date : Mar 2015
    Philadelphia
    Posts : 1,174
    Windows 10 Pro x64

    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLCDR View Post
    What I don't like is people claiming that Windows 10 is no good for anyone.
    Thank you! The purpose of this forum is to share information and help people problems they may have, but it defies any logic, common sense, and technical knowledge to claim Windows 10 is broken, unstable, worthless, and unable to be used by anyone.
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  8.    19 Nov 2015 #38
    Join Date : Aug 2015
    Central Florida
    Posts : 131
    Windows 10

    I think the problem members have with the OP is that it just seems to be a rant, and that's not what this forum is about. While he identified things he was unhappy with, he never actually asked for help how to correct those problems.
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  9.    19 Nov 2015 #39
    Join Date : Jan 2014
    Oak Ridge TN, USA
    Posts : 24,523
    Windows 10 Pro x64

    Quote Originally Posted by KACI View Post
    I think the problem members have with the OP is that it just seems to be a rant, and that's not what this forum is about. While he identified things he was unhappy with, he never actually asked for help how to correct those problems.
    I don't mind some ranting but just to blame MS for everything gets a bit silly IMO..
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  10.    19 Nov 2015 #40
    Join Date : Aug 2015
    Posts : 415
    10 pro 64 clean install

    I think many that blame windows 10 as useless are probably linux users . Can you imagine the damages windows 10 is causing on all those involve with linux since their main thing about linux is its free, now that windows 10 is free, free to those that qualify I'm sure it doesn't help linux . Also, Am I the only one that thinks there something really odd with this forum towards how many first time poster, hmmm
    Last edited by sn00ker; 19 Nov 2015 at 17:45.
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