Windows 10: Happily I'll never have to do this again

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  1.    18 Nov 2015 #21

    Bruno Luong said: View Post
    I (and MS) only install WHQL drivers, that does not prevent they are WRONG. For example if I update the driver of my Intel Graphics by clicking on "Search automatically for updates driver software", MS will load the one that leads to BSOD. This driver is NOT amended by ASUS and INTEL. So who's fault?
    You could just follow this tutorial and you shouldn't have anymore of these issues:
    Windows Update Automatic Updates - Enable or Disable in Windows 10 - Windows 10 Forums
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  2.    18 Nov 2015 #22

    DeaconFrost said: View Post
    Just because your upgrade didn't go smoothly or come with a signed photo of Satya Nadella, doesn't mean Microsoft failed.
    Well to me yes, and I think I have elaborated enough *why* in my case, since its entirely due to MS interventionist and non-rigorously deployment tests of drivers. They endorse the issue and no one else, nor in other versions of Windows.
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  3.    18 Nov 2015 #23

    BunnyJ said: View Post
    You could just follow this tutorial and you shouldn't have anymore of these issues:
    Windows Update Automatic Updates - Enable or Disable in Windows 10 - Windows 10 Forums
    Bruno Luong said: View Post
    Well to me yes, and I think I have elaborated enough *why* in my case, since its entirely due to MS interventionist and non-rigorously deployment tests of drivers. They endorse the issue and no one else, nor in other versions of Windows.
    It's not up to MS to test drivers. They get the drivers from companies like Asus and Intel. It's their job to test and make sure MS has the correct drivers. But check out the tutorial above.. that might help.
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       18 Nov 2015 #24

    Bruno Luong said: View Post
    I (and MS) only install WHQL drivers, that does not prevent they are WRONG. For example if I update the driver of my Intel Graphics by clicking on "Search automatically for updates driver software", MS will load the one that leads to BSOD. This driver is NOT amended by ASUS and INTEL. So who's fault?
    Intel and Asus for not providing the correct drivers. They manipulated the drivers to only work on their products. It is therefore incumbent on them to provide correct updated drivers. Microsoft only delivers drivers they are provided by Intel and Asus. It's really pretty simple. Microsoft does not make the drivers. They install the drivers provided them by the manufacturers.
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  5.    18 Nov 2015 #25

    Bruno Luong said: View Post
    No, it's not true.

    I have an ASUS with apparent Intel 4th generation Graphics; but customized by Asus.

    When I go to Asus site, it will recommends using a specific version of driver (not the latest), and it works for build 10240, and says the HW is incompatible with TH2

    When I use Intel update driver tool, it refuses to update my driver because it detects Asus specific

    However if I let Windows update the drivers, it uses a wrong driver and make my computer crashes.
    Similarly when I update to TH2, MS takes a liberty to use a wrong driver and it crashes the in the middle of the upgrading.

    The fault is then entirely MS.

    When I was using Vista, W7 or W8, I never have to worry about such issues with drivers.

    I consider seriously buying my next computer with non windows OS after 25 years of MS loyal customer.

    Reading that whole post, and using very basic logic, the fault lies with Asus.
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  6.    18 Nov 2015 #26

    essenbe said: View Post
    Intel and Asus for not providing the correct drivers. They manipulated the drivers to only work on their products. It is therefore incumbent on them to provide correct updated drivers. Microsoft only delivers drivers they are provided by Intel and Asus. It's really pretty simple. Microsoft does not make the drivers. They install the drivers provided them by the manufacturers.
    Why should users care who is the provider to MS the drivers? The Asus/Intel site is correct and crystal clear, MS is NOT and wrong, and furthermore I can't believe Asus and Intel involve anyhow in the keeping track MS driver database, certification, decision tree in the process of update driver. MS doesn't have a solid infrastructure to ensure the correct deployment. Let users rather deal directly with the vendor and minimize the mistakes. That's why MS should ever interfere to driver business as with Win10.
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  7.    18 Nov 2015 #27

    Bruno Luong said: View Post
    Why should users care who is the provider to MS the drivers? The Asus/Intel site is correct and crystal clear, MS is NOT and wrong, and furthermore I can't believe Asus and Intel involve anyhow in the keeping track MS driver database, certification, decision tree in the process of update driver. MS doesn't have a solid infrastructure to ensure the correct deployment. Let user rather deal directly with the vendor and minimize the mistakes. That's why MS should ever interfere to driver business as with Win10.
    MS has been following the same procedure when they supply drivers for years and years. What happens with 10 is no different that with say, 7. And if Asus/Intel don't supply the correct drivers for MS that's not the fault of MS.

    It's that simple, like it or not.
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  8.    18 Nov 2015 #28

    Rocky said: View Post
    Reading that whole post, and using very basic logic, the fault lies with Asus.
    Really? MS should use ASUS's amended driver, instead they uses THEIR that creates BSOD (VIDEO_DXGKRNL_FATAL_ERROR) .

    How it's ASUS endorsement?
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  9. Brink's Avatar
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       18 Nov 2015 #29

    warning   Warning
    Let's keep this conversation friendly shall we Bruno.

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  10.    18 Nov 2015 #30

    Up to you I stop now, if you think I'm not freindly.
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