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  1.    23 Nov 2014 #21
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    I wouldn't miss them


    I wouldn't be bothered if they got rid of Libraries.
    They add additional clutter in the Navigation pane (along with the User folder constantly appearing for no reason).

    Unfortunately some programs now seem to open Libraries by default.

    Quote Originally Posted by Layback Bear View Post
    I'm still trying to understand what people don't understand about Libraries in W-7.
    How are they an improvement on:
    • Favourites?
    • the XP-style My Documents?
    • A folder + Shortcuts?

    Quote Originally Posted by Layback Bear View Post
    Libraries don't make one do anything.
    Libraries do give one a easy way to do many things.
    They are another location that must be customised to show (what I consider) relevant information.

    In my case, one annoying issue is the way that certain (MS) programs interact with them.

    For example, Windows Live Photo Gallery detects Libraries and automatically start indexing everything in them with no way to control what is happening.
    The main reason I still have XP installed is so that I can use WLPG without it running amok (XP has no Libraries).

    WMC also tries to index everything, but at least it gives you the option to disable locations.

    Another issue is Navigation pane clutter (see below).

    Quote Originally Posted by Kari View Post
    You do not save your files in Libraries, nor does Windows "decide" for you to save anything in them. In fact, it's totally impossible: Libraries in Windows are not physical storage locations​, they are not folders. Files are, with or without Libraries, saved where the user wants them to be saved.
    This may simply be a misunderstanding or disagreement about terminology.
    You can "save a file" in a Library, but the file is actually saved in that Library's default folder.

    Select a file and "drag & drop" it on a Library icon.
    The file will be saved in the default folder location of that Library.
    So, from a certain point of view, Windows does decide where to save the file.

    The W10 File Explorer Navigation pane is becoming too cluttered.
    MS has continued to add more stuff to the Navigation pane, which makes it more painful to navigate to any specific location.

    MS needs to consider adding a method that allows users to easily enable/disable any/all categories in the Navigation pane.
    Another option would be to implementing some of the features that Nautilus & Caja use for their Sidebars.

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    There are a couple of other views (I'm not really sure what use the "Information" view is though).
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  2.    23 Nov 2014 #22
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    Quote Originally Posted by BunnyJ View Post


    Ah,, I for one am not put out but you're getting very .. well worked up about a few empty folders that MS sets up for someone?? Really??
    Nah, at the end of the day, I really don't care much one way or the other. I wish I could get rid of them, but not being able to doesn't really bother me.

    What really pisses me off, is when someone like kari comes along and suggests there's something wrong with anyone that doesn't like libraries(or any other nonsense).

    Frankly, this shit is wearing really thin. You(the generic "you") like libraries, or any other damn thing, fine. I couldn't care less, and why should I.

    But when you suggest that anyone who doesn't like what you like is somehow inferior because of it....suffice to say it really pisses my right off.
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  3.    23 Nov 2014 #23
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    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Kari View Post
    You do not save your files in Libraries, nor does Windows "decide" for you to save anything in them. In fact, it's totally impossible: Libraries in Windows are not physical storage locations​, they are not folders. Files are, with or without Libraries, saved where the user wants them to be saved.
    This may simply be a misunderstanding or disagreement about terminology.
    You can "save a file" in a Library, but the file is actually saved in that Library's default folder.
    No you can't, not save a file or "save a file" in library because the library as a physical storage location does not exist. You save in physical folders included in abstract containers called libraries. A file can be stored in C:\Users\Kari\Videos folder which is included in Videos library but it can not be saved in location "Videos library".

    It can be listed and shown in Videos library, yes, but not saved in it.

    No misunderstanding, no disagreement about terminology.

    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    Select a file and "drag & drop" it on a Library icon.
    The file will be saved in the default folder location of that Library.
    So, from a certain point of view, Windows does decide where to save the file.
    No, Windows does not decide it, not from any possible point of view. You decide it, in two phases. First you have decided which folder in each library is the default save location, then you decide into which library you drag and drop your files.

    You alone, not Windows, have made the decision about which is the default save folder in library in question.
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  4.    24 Nov 2014 #24
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    Not looked at the Libraries in 10, but can they not be disabled the same as in 8/8.1, so those that don't want them don't see them

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  5.    24 Nov 2014 #25
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    Windows chooses the default folder ...


    Quote Originally Posted by Kari View Post
    No, Windows does not decide it, not from any possible point of view. You decide it, in two phases. First you have decided which folder in each library is the default save location, then you decide into which library you drag and drop your files.

    You alone, not Windows, have made the decision about which is the default save folder in library in question.
    Windows chooses a default folder for the Library when you install the OS.
    At no stage does W7 ask you what folder you want to set as the default, therefore it has decided it for itself (more accurately MS has decided it).
    You can change it if you wish (I haven't).
    In W7, you do not have to:
    • Open the Library
    • Select a target folder
    • Drop the file into it


    Try it for yourself.

    1. Select a file (e.g. a txt file or shortcut on the desktop).(see 1 below)
    2. "Drag & drop" it on a Library icon in Windows Explorer (e.g. Documents).(see 2 below)
    3. The file will be saved in the default folder location of that Library.(see 3 below)


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    In the picture, I dragged a shortcut from the Desktop onto the Library icon in Window Explorer and it was copied to E:\Documents.
    At no time, did I open the Library location and select a target folder.

    I wouldn't shed any tears if the only locations in File Explorer were:
    • Favourites
    • Computer
    • Network
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  6.    24 Nov 2014 #26
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    @lehnerus2000, that's still a user made decision, to use default save location. It does not change the fact that the user makes the decision where the files are saved; by accepting defaults user has decided the default location is OK and does not need to be changed. I admit that the user might not know how to change the defaults and is therefore using default save locations, in which case it's also a user decision, not to find out how libraries work.

    It really is so simple: it is always the user who decides, not Windows. I do not use default save locations, I have decided to use other folders for that. Another user is happy with Windows defaults and decides to use them.
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  7.    24 Nov 2014 #27
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    I'm no genus on such matters and I will accept being corrected.

    My understanding is this.

    If one is happy where Windows 7 put things then do it that way.
    If one hasn't learned how to use Libraries that is not Microsoft's fault.
    Libraries do not store files and folders it is just like a index in a boot. Libraries show Windows 7 where things are located when one puts a request in to go to them.

    Kind of like a Dewey Decimal card system used along time ago in libraries.
    Their are no books in the card catalog of the Dewey Decimal system. Their is information on where the books are stored.

    Windows 7 went one step better. Not only can one store things the way the system comes default, they can also arrange the catalog the way they so desire.
    Windows 7 does not make one use the default setting if you don't like them.

    I have two SSD's in this system. One with W-7 and one with W-10. Using Libraries I can move thing or copy back and forth as I see fit and find them when needed using Libraries.

    Windows 7 does not make me use any default setting if I choose not to.
    I choose to use Libraries and do like the method. Because I only have 3 brain cells I do forget where things are.
    All I have to do is look in Libraries and presto I get a road map to where I need to go.

    Their are things in Windows 7 I don't use. That doesn't mean they shouldn't be there for those that do like to use them.

    I took off my XP hat a long time ago because it was getting in the way of my Windows 7 hat.
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  8.    24 Nov 2014 #28
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    Yep libraries are hit and miss in most conversations,
    It's basically just singles out the top 4 sections of C drive that are the most common places most people would like to access fast,
    Otherwise a person would create another shortcut in some way to the same basic location for quicker access,

    The only other option would be to drill down through C and find Users.....
    So it's essentially the same people usually just have an issue with libraries because Microsoft created them

    But it's all good use them or not
    I personally do
    I believe it's pretty cool along with home group sharing nothing was ever made file transfer/ access so simple
    Unless you want to start talking about cloud services
    Cheers.
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  9.    24 Nov 2014 #29
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThrashZone View Post

    The only other option would be to drill down through C and find Users.....
    A far better option, imho, is to simply create your own folder where you want to save whatever.(not a fan of the c\users\bla bla\whatever. Can't imagine how anyone ever thaught that was in any way useful)((I know, you're shocked, right...))
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  10.    24 Nov 2014 #30
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    In my opinion, the big problem is two-fold.

    First, you have scores of coders on the payroll, each of whom has to continually justify their continued employment, so they dream up nonsensical changes to what was already a good system. We'll call that "change for change sake".

    Then, you have ms who has to flog the altered product, both to pay said coders, and to make some more money. True, that is the way of the world... but that does not mean that each new "feature", and I use that word figuratively, is even a tiny improvement. Indeed, as often as not, it's a step backward. While most real improvements could be made under the hood, that wouldn't show, and they need something to "show".


    Imho, of course...
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