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  1. Joined : Nov 2013
    Land of 10,000 lakes
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    W10 Pro, W10 Home
       30 Nov 2014 #71

    mousegolf said: View Post
    LittleJay said: View Post
    So, with all due respect, instead of saying "we" it should be "I" have no use for gaudy tiles.
    I respect your reply. I am actually speaking for the non-enthusiasts who never visit forums to voice their thoughts. I work with the "regular Joe & Jane" on their home computers. These people power on a computer, open a browser to check email or play Windows games. They may use Office or have some type of Greeting Card software. And, they are usually, like me, a senior citizen. These 600 plus people around the world have gotten to know me since 2006 as their PC-Go-To-Guy. They could care less about specs. What they want is familiarity. Most started with Windows 98 or XP and when some of them went to the store to buy a new computer and brought home Windows 8, they were horrified.

    Microsoft does not need to make these changes to the OS (it's called marketing). Heck, XP users are still having a good time with their machines and simply ask me to disable IE and install GC or MFF.
    I didn't like the W8 Start Screen at first either. It took a period of adjustment to get use to. Advancements in technology are a part of life and whether we like it or not, change is inevitable. I suspect those people, who are hoping W10 will be W7 with a few under the hood improvements, will be disappointed. But since W7 is still going to be supported for quite a while, they have the option to stick with it.
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  2. Joined : Oct 2013
    Posts : 1,962
    Windows 7
       30 Nov 2014 #72

    Microsoft does not need to make these changes to the OS (it's called marketing).
    I understand what you are saying, but that statement is not quite correct. From 7 to 8 we moved into a completely different world which is ruled now by tablets and phones. MS has to provide an interface that is suitable for those devices.

    The could have, of course, seperated the OS for the portable devices from the OS for PCs. But that is a very expensive proposition. Maintaining 2 seperate OS is extremely expensive if you want to keep them halfway in sync as far as the functions are concerned. I have been there and know that it is a nightmare.
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  3. Joined : Jan 2014
    Oak Ridge TN, USA
    Posts : 23,934
    Windows 10 Pro x64
       30 Nov 2014 #73

    mousegolf said: View Post
    LittleJay said: View Post
    So, with all due respect, instead of saying "we" it should be "I" have no use for gaudy tiles.
    I respect your reply. I am actually speaking for the non-enthusiasts who never visit forums to voice their thoughts. I work with the "regular Joe & Jane" on their home computers. These people power on a computer, open a browser to check email or play Windows games. They may use Office or have some type of Greeting Card software. And, they are usually, like me, a senior citizen. These 600 plus people around the world have gotten to know me since 2006 as their PC-Go-To-Guy. They could care less about specs. What they want is familiarity. Most started with Windows 98 or XP and when some of them went to the store to buy a new computer and brought home Windows 8, they were horrified.

    Microsoft does not need to make these changes to the OS (it's called marketing). Heck, XP users are still having a good time with their machines and simply ask me to disable IE and install GC or MFF.
    I would think that if you're a "PC-GO-To-Guy" you would have had no issues both figuring out how to make use of Win8 and explaining it to all of your followers/clients. Being in the IT filed since I was 17, now 53, I've had to learn and addapt to numerous OS's and the change from Win7 to Win8/Win10 has been rather painless for me at least and explaining the changes to others is not really that hard. It only takes me about an hour and I've covered most if not all of the bases so the individual I'm helping out is not having any issues with the new OS.. Win8 or Win10.

    Oh, and Xp is no longer supported so those still using it are taking a big risk with security issues. But hey.. that's their problems not mine. I would rather use Linux than Xp right now. I can agree that for the average user Win7 is just fine for now and for the next 5 years but keeping them on Xp is doing them a disservice. IMO

    Jeff
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  4. Joined : Oct 2013
    Posts : 1,962
    Windows 7
       30 Nov 2014 #74

    Kari said: View Post
    mousegolf said: View Post
    Microsoft does not need to make these changes to the OS (it's called marketing). Heck, XP users are still having a good time with their machines and simply ask me to disable IE and install GC or MFF.
    Yeah, let's not change anything. It's better to to do as is always done, no use to get anything new. We don't need new.

    Who needs these big wide screen displays with millions of colors, the 14 inch 4 to 3 EGA display from 1981 when IBM PC was introduced is good enough. Windows 3 worked well, why on earth has MS decided to change it time after time introducing new bells and whistles? Who needs several gigabytes of RAM, the IBM PC had 384 KB and it worked well. Why do we ever developed modern broadband systems when the connections worked well using the phone line and a 2.400 baud modem?

    Please MS and PC manufacturers, please do never change anything, do not evolve your products. Let us just use the old systems as we have always used.
    Yeah right. And why do we need modern cars. Ramses II was hapyy with this one, it did the job.

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  5. Joined : Jan 2014
    Oak Ridge TN, USA
    Posts : 23,934
    Windows 10 Pro x64
       30 Nov 2014 #75

    whs said: View Post
    Microsoft does not need to make these changes to the OS (it's called marketing).
    I understand what you are saying, but that statement is not quite correct. From 7 to 8 we moved into a completely different world which is ruled now by tablets and phones. MS has to provide an interface that is suitable for those devices.

    The could have, of course, seperated the OS for the portable devices from the OS for PCs. But that is a very expensive proposition. Maintaining 2 seperate OS is extremely expensive if you want to keep them halfway in sync as far as the functions are concerned. I have been there and know that it is a nightmare.
    This.. YES! Maintaining two of anything in software development is just terrifying. I know all to well. That's why the current trend toward OOP(Object Oriented Programming) is all the rage. By minimizing the amount of code that must be updated and tested makes the development/maintenance cycle so much easier. OH and more cost effective for MS and other companies in the long run. Many current languages such as Java,Python,C++,C# are firmly based in OOP and it makes their use easier, IMO
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  6. Joined : Jul 2014
    Serbia
    Posts : 6,943
    All kinds
       30 Nov 2014 #76

    What ??? No seat belts, standing room only and 2 horsepower ?
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  7. Joined : Oct 2013
    Posts : 1,962
    Windows 7
       30 Nov 2014 #77

    OOP is really nothing new. We used it for mainframe programming in the 80s.
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  8. Joined : Oct 2013
    Posts : 1,962
    Windows 7
       30 Nov 2014 #78

    CountMike said: View Post
    What ??? No seat belts, standing room only and 2 horsepower ?
    But you have air - although it is not in a bag.
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  9. Joined : Jan 2014
    Oak Ridge TN, USA
    Posts : 23,934
    Windows 10 Pro x64
       30 Nov 2014 #79

    whs said: View Post
    OOP is really nothing new. We used it for mainframe programming in the 80s.
    Cool.. I never used it when I was working. Just used COBOL and that didn't support OOP.
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  10. Joined : Jul 2014
    Serbia
    Posts : 6,943
    All kinds
       30 Nov 2014 #80

    whs said: View Post
    CountMike said: View Post
    What ??? No seat belts, standing room only and 2 horsepower ?
    But you have air - although it is not in a bag.
    Yeah, that reminds me of my last 1966 Mercury pickup, had "2/100" type air conditioner (2 open windows. 100MpH).
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