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  1. Joined : Jun 2014
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       02 Dec 2014 #141

    Kari said: View Post
    Winuser said: View Post
    HippsieGypsie said: View Post
    Winuser said: View Post
    Is that the new modern math or am I counting wrong?
    Anyone that knows anything about keyboarding would know you're counting it wrong.
    OK, I counted it wrong. Alt/f4 = 2 + hold Win key = 1 + strike period key = 1 + strike down key =1 =3?
    You really don't get it?

    In HG's example, the ALT + F4 has nothing to do with closing the desktop, it's just to close the current app and is not needed if no apps are open. To close the desktop you need 3 key presses (WIN + PERIOD + DOWN ARROW) exactly as he told.
    In the example the way I read it HG was going from a desktop app to the start screen. If going from the desktop to the start screen it would be three key strokes.
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  2. Joined : Nov 2013
    Land of 10,000 lakes
    Posts : 10,346
    W10 Pro, W10 Home
       02 Dec 2014 #142

    HippsieGypsie said: View Post
    CountMike said: View Post
    I on other hand, would spend more time looking for those keys than actually pushing them ad to that having to remember all the keystrokes, All that makes it easier for me to do as much as possible using mouse.
    Windows combo keys have remained pretty much the same over the years. 7 to 8 was probably the biggest change and additions. Been using so long that I can pretty much do them without looking at the keyboard, although if the top F key row I do.
    I've watched other keyboarders in action and I have to admit that I was impressed. As for me, I'm all thumbs and my memory chip is fried, so I remain a mouser.
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  3. Joined : Oct 2013
    A Finnish ex-pat in Germany
    Posts : 9,520
    Windows 10 Pro
       02 Dec 2014 #143

    HippsieGypsie said: View Post
    Windows combo keys have remained pretty much the same over the years. 7 to 8 was probably the biggest change and additions. Been using so long that I can pretty much do them without looking at the keyboard, although if the top F key row I do.
    I'm also a fan of keyboard shortcuts, not only in Windows itself but also quite a lot in Office. Office makes it easy, too, a single press of ALT even shows the keys to press to get the function I need:

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  4. Joined : Aug 2014
    Australia, Adelaide
    Posts : 1,390
    W7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), LM 18.1 MATE (64 bit), W10IP VM, W10 Home
       02 Dec 2014 #144

    Depends on the stat site


    Kari said: View Post
    Windows 8 / 8.1 a failure? A version of Windows which already has double the users worldwide than combined versions of the 13 year old OS X, yet Mac and its parent Apple are considered an established, good operating system and a good business. Windows 8 / 8.1 has doubled its share in one year, OS X got a bit over 10% increase in same time.

    I am not willing to call an OS on fifth of all computers worldwide a failure.

    OS Statistics
    W3C traffic comes from web developers (and computer geeks).
    I doubt many ordinary users go there.

    Compared to Linux Distros and OS X, the W8 series isn't a failure.
    However these operating systems aren't the main competition.

    XP and W7 are the main competition (as many people have posted previously).
    Compared to these operating systems, the W8 series is really struggling.

    According to W3C, W8 overtook XP in December 2013.
    If NetMaketShare hadn't "mysteriously decided" to drop data from their results (in October) the W8 series would probably still be well behind XP (in September XP had twice the market share).

    In November, according to:
    • W3C, W8 gained as much as W7 lost (~1%)
    • NetMaketShare, W7 had roughly twice the increase that the W8 series did (~3.36% vs ~1.85%)


    W3C claim that:
    • W7 reached ~20% after 8 months (it had ~4% before it was even released).
    • The W8 series took 24 months.
    • Vista never reached 20%


    NetMaketShare have locked their historical data.

    I'm sure the figures from other statistic sites will be different again.

    One thing W3C and NetMaketShare both agree on, is W7 has >54% of the OS desktop market share.
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  5. Joined : Oct 2013
    A Finnish ex-pat in Germany
    Posts : 9,520
    Windows 10 Pro
       02 Dec 2014 #145

    lehnerus2000 said: View Post
    W3C traffic comes from web developers (and computer geeks).
    I doubt many ordinary users go there.
    All statistics show similar results.

    Usage share of operating systems - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Operating system market share
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  6. Joined : Feb 2014
    Posts : 372
    Windows 10
       02 Dec 2014 #146

    HippsieGypsie said: View Post

    Rickkins said: View Post
    My last post seems to have been deleted....
    Was it anything worth reading?
    Apparently not.
    Not to worry, message received, loud and clear.
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  7. Joined : Nov 2013
    Chicagoland
    Posts : 20,761
    Tower: W8.1; Laptop: W10 Pro build 10586; Windows Phone 8
       02 Dec 2014 #147

    Oh, Rickkins. You know I'm just kidding around l hope.
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  8. Joined : Feb 2014
    Posts : 372
    Windows 10
       02 Dec 2014 #148

    No worries mate, it's all good.
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  9. Joined : Aug 2014
    Australia, Adelaide
    Posts : 1,390
    W7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), LM 18.1 MATE (64 bit), W10IP VM, W10 Home
       02 Dec 2014 #149

    Microsoft needs W10 to ...


    Kari said: View Post
    lehnerus2000 said: View Post
    W3C traffic comes from web developers (and computer geeks).
    I doubt many ordinary users go there.
    All statistics show similar results.

    Usage share of operating systems - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Operating system market share
    Compare the browser stats from W3C and NetMaketShare and tell me they are the same:

    • W3C - Chrome 60%
    • NetMaketShare - IE 60%


    Those links both use the same desktop OS data (NetMaketShare).

    The end result is still the same, the adoption rate for the W8 series is a fraction of the rate that W7 was adopted at.
    Compared to W7 & XP, it is a market failure.
    It is outperforming Vista though (at this point).

    After roughly two years (according to W3C):
    1. W7 - ~44.7%
    2. XP - ~38% - 42.6%
    3. W8- ~19.2%
    4. Vista - ~14.4%


    MS needs W10 to at least replicate the market performance of W7 & XP (not W8 & Vista).
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  10. Joined : Nov 2013
    Chicagoland
    Posts : 20,761
    Tower: W8.1; Laptop: W10 Pro build 10586; Windows Phone 8
       02 Dec 2014 #150

    Kari said: View Post
    HippsieGypsie said: View Post
    Windows combo keys have remained pretty much the same over the years. 7 to 8 was probably the biggest change and additions. Been using so long that I can pretty much do them without looking at the keyboard, although if the top F key row I do.
    I'm also a fan of keyboard shortcuts, not only in Windows itself but also quite a lot in Office. Office makes it easy, too, a single press of ALT even shows the keys to press to get the function I need:

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    Yes, I stumbled on that one day by pressing the Alt key by mistake.

    I'm sure you know Home or End and Ctrl/Home or End. Have you tried holding Shift/Alt then repeating down or up arrow to highlight paragraphs for delete, copy, paste, and other editing functions such as bold, italicize, underline, font type or size, etc? Hold Shift/Alt right or left arrow to highlight individual words for editing, etc? Hold Ctrl then right or left arrow to skip individual words? How about highlighting a misspelt word and the menu key for suggested correct word? Then arrow down to correct word, then Enter? Or F7 for the whole doc? Word is the keyboarder's cats meow.

    Then there's Excel.....
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