Windows 10: Dissapointed but not suprised.

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  1.    30 Nov 2014 #91

    Is it really the OS that's slow or is it the disk that is slow. I just bought a new HP 17" laptop for the wife. It has good specs - A8 quad CPU. 6GB of RAM, but that 5400 RPM HDD really slows it down. I can't wait for the SSD that I ordered for it to arrive.

    Those buggers make it more and more difficult to switch the disk. There are no more disk bays. You have to remove the whole back panel to get at it.
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  2.    01 Dec 2014 #92

    whs said: View Post
    Is it really the OS that's slow or is it the disk that is slow. I just bought a new HP 17" laptop for the wife. It has good specs - A8 quad CPU. 6GB of RAM, but that 5400 RPM HDD really slows it down. I can't wait for the SSD that I ordered for it to arrive.

    Those buggers make it more and more difficult to switch the disk. There are no more disk bays. You have to remove the whole back panel to get at it.
    I can tell you from first hand experience that disk is a most "guilty party" in OS responsiveness and apparent speed of it. I installed absolutely same version of W8.1 on an older 5400rpm HDD as on SSD in order to try W10tp upgrade. So W8.1 was as fresh as it could be, a clean install with same drivers as main one on SSD. The difference is staggering. Boot is 3 times longer on HDD, programs installed on SSD open immediately. FF for instance opens in less than a second from SSD and 5 seconds from HDD. MS Publisher almost as fast from SSD together with a document while from HDD at takes what seems like forever. You can actually see a document opening, just like it's downloading from internet, while from SSD it just appears on screen.
    After working from SSD for a while and than switching to HDD it makes me wander how did I ever get along with slow HDD ever. It's still just a matter of few seconds of difference which arguably should not be a big deal but the impression of speedup is amazing.
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       01 Dec 2014 #93

    Yes, that's the bottle-neck with the super-lappy, its 5400rpm C: drive.

    After Xmas, though, I'll be removing one of the two 750gb spinners and replacing with an SSD drive, IF I can get a decent sized one (256gb minimum) at a reasonable price. I'm going to toss another 8gb of RAM into it at the same time, and I should get a few more years out of it before I need to upgrade.


    Wenda.
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    Dual boot: Windows 10 Home Insider Build 16179 & W8.1 Pro x64 with Media Center
       01 Dec 2014 #94

    BunnyJ said: View Post
    I was a paid programmer from 84 thru 02 and I would say it was not uncommon to spend well over 8 hours in front of a dumb terminal or later a PC coding/testing and debugging programs.(IBM Mainframe/VB PC). Generally we had a few function keys that helped out but the majority was just a lot of typing.. Yuck.
    I have a good friend that works IT. Started as a network engineer and worked his way up to management, so I know somewhat what goes on, but I don’t really know that field via experience.

    In my hay day I’ve sat at my PC on some weekends 8 or 10 hours performing plan takeoffs, estimating, and bidding taking occasional breaks, but I can’t imagine sitting at it on a daily basis. That would drive me nuts.

    Oh and in addition I would spend plenty of my weekends helping out at our data center in the Hang Que helping fix errors in JCL, etc.. Why?? More pay!! And it was fun,.
    Lol! All I understood was “More pay!” Hang Que? JCL?

    As a suggestion > You may want to take groze out of your post’s quote.
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       01 Dec 2014 #95

    Edwin said: View Post
    HippsieGypsie said: View Post
    Bottom line is that I nor anyone else can prove one system is quicker than the other so far as performing “real work” until there is a scientific work study performed and the results of that study. Obviously MS thought it was quicker. I simply agree.
    I just got back from my Windows 7 partition, which is on the front end of the same disk I'm on now, and trust me..., it's slow!
    I’ll take your word for it. I just noticed that you haven’t filled out your system specs, Edwin.

    While my system was down I used my daughter’s laptop with 7 on it. Although I spent 4 years with 7 knowing it well, it seemed awkward navigating it.
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       01 Dec 2014 #96

    HippsieGypsie said: View Post
    Edwin said: View Post
    HippsieGypsie said: View Post
    Bottom line is that I nor anyone else can prove one system is quicker than the other so far as performing “real work” until there is a scientific work study performed and the results of that study. Obviously MS thought it was quicker. I simply agree.
    I just got back from my Windows 7 partition, which is on the front end of the same disk I'm on now, and trust me..., it's slow!
    I’ll take your word for it. I just noticed that you haven’t filled out your system specs, Edwin.

    While my system was down I used my daughter’s laptop with 7 on it. Although I spent 4 years with 7 knowing it well, it seemed awkward navigating it.
    No system specs cuz right now I don't have a system!!!
    (Hate posting from tablet!)
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  7.    01 Dec 2014 #97

    whs said: View Post
    Is it really the OS that's slow or is it the disk that is slow. I just bought a new HP 17" laptop for the wife. It has good specs - A8 quad CPU. 6GB of RAM, but that 5400 RPM HDD really slows it down. I can't wait for the SSD that I ordered for it to arrive.

    Those buggers make it more and more difficult to switch the disk. There are no more disk bays. You have to remove the whole back panel to get at it.
    Likely depends on the manufacturer and the size of the laptop. My ASUS laptop has a removable panel for hard drive access, just 3 screws. It's big though, 17.3 inch screen, full sized keyboard and has dual drive bays. On my Wife's slim Acer laptop you have to remove the whole back cover. About 20 Something screws. If you've never done this before watch out for different length screws. If you put a long one in where there was a short one you could damage something. Look out for some that may be hidden under the rubber feet or a sticker. I hate it when they do that.
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  8.    01 Dec 2014 #98

    HippsieGypsie said: View Post
    Edwin said: View Post
    HippsieGypsie said: View Post
    Bottom line is that I nor anyone else can prove one system is quicker than the other so far as performing “real work” until there is a scientific work study performed and the results of that study. Obviously MS thought it was quicker. I simply agree.
    I just got back from my Windows 7 partition, which is on the front end of the same disk I'm on now, and trust me..., it's slow!
    I’ll take your word for it. I just noticed that you haven’t filled out your system specs, Edwin.

    While my system was down I used my daughter’s laptop with 7 on it. Although I spent 4 years with 7 knowing it well, it seemed awkward navigating it.
    lol, same thing happened to me recently. I was fixing a PC for a friend that was running Windows 7. I had a few moments where I had to think for a second or two about where something was. I also used Windows 7 for many years.
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  9.    01 Dec 2014 #99

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    whs said: View Post
    After working from SSD for a while and than switching to HDD it makes me wander how did I ever get along with slow HDD ever..
    Completely agree - I was initially put off SSD due to their apparent 'high failure rate', but don't regret making the switch.

    My Windows 8.1 & Windows 10T are both on HDs & take an age to load with inherent slow response from wake up.
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  10.    01 Dec 2014 #100

    Duplicate post
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