One thing i don't like about win 10

Gary said:

I don't think you can Alpha unless you use a Local account.

Ah, I'm doing it right now. I have been doing it since day one. Maybe I better re-explain. The e-mail account I use for my Microsoft account is with my ISP, my.name@isp.net password ispemailpassword. When I signed up for my live ID I used my.name@isp.net and password idpassword. My Live ID password can be anything I want it to be, it does not have to be the password to the e-mail account your using. Unless your using an actual Microsoft e-mail account. I can go in and change it any time I want too. It has no effect on my e-mail account, one has nothing to do with the other. When I setup my live ID I got a confirmation e-mail with a link to verify I'm who I say I am. Same as when you signed up for 10 forums. If your using a Microsoft e-mail account its different though, they are linked.

alaslipknot said:

exactly, that's also why an online authentication is the ultra stupid, why have it if you can bypass it locally ?

So how is this different from logging on with a local account? You still have to enter a password to log on. Microsoft is doing you a favor. If you had to authenticate to log on how are you going to connect to the hot spot in the coffee shop. If you can't log on you can't change your WIFI settings. If you can't change your WIFI settings you can't connect. If you can't connect you can't log on. The Microsoft Account logon is more than just authentication. Especially if you use the sync function across devices like I do.

AndreyT said:

The primary point of the OP's post is Cortana. In order to begin using Cortana you will be forced to switch to Microsoft online account. No way around it.

Not true. Since build 10565 Cortana works also with a local account.

vexorg said:

Windows 10 has cortana??? I only have local accounts, probably why I've not seen it.

See above.

vexorg said:

Why would you log into your PC with an online account, it's a home PC, not a work domain or proper unix based network. IT's all a step too far, same with one drive, that got deleted right away. Some of us don't want the full integrated experience, especially if you use different email service or google for other stuff.

If you have a shared home PC for family use, then you don't want all the emails and login all mixed in together, so I'm with the OP on this.

This does not deserve a comment or reply but lets just say this: How on earth can you mix emails and login data?

Especially on a shared computer the use of an MS Account and OneDrive is really not only practical and recommendable but also the safest possible way to store your personal data. All users saving everything on local hard disk, that is about the dumbest you could do! A total security nightmare!

An admin user, be it your dad or mom or brother or whatever, an admin user can always access all data stored locally. You teenager, if you think your parents won't see you locally stored emails and pics and stuff, I am sorry but you are wrong.

But: If you had an MS Account and stored your stuff online, not syncing it to local computer, they had no way to know what you have there. Plus: you could access it from any device.

A bit absurd when you think of it: this tinfoil hat brigade won't use a safe method, OneDrive and an MS Account, but instead tell us all to use the unsafest of all data storing methods, store everything locally on a shared computer.

Gary said:

In the upcoming update to the RTM on Novemeber 2nd., You will be able to use Cortana in a local account.

Exactly.

alaslipknot said:

Yeah i might do that, just one question, what happen in the following cases if i want to log in and my internet is down ?

Case 1 : i created a PIN login

You log in. Signing in to Windows does not need Internet connection, whatever sign-in method or account type you use.

alaslipknot said:

Case 2 : i didn't have a PIN login so i have to enter my real MS account password

You log in. Signing in to Windows does not need Internet connection, whatever sign-in method or account type you use.

alaslipknot said:

Am i going to be blocked from using my Computer until i have my Internet back ? or Will the authentication happens locally ?

Why would you? Internet is not required for you to sign in.

alaslipknot said:

Am guessing it's the second option cause the first one is ultra-stupid (lol), so if the authentication happens locally wouldn't this make the entire MS account useless to me ? i mean, MS is using this to collect information and walking on google step, and i really don't care. Security wise though, if an online authentication can happen locally (which mean it can easily get cracked) then it's pretty useless to us isn't ?

That's tinfoil hat brigade talking.

The sign-in method is not the reason for the MS Account. Sign-in is about the only thing in Windows 10 where it's totally irrelevant which type of account you have.

I could not live without an MS Account and OneDrive, the best example of the usefulness of an MS Account. All data, I mean absolutely everything I have ever created, saved or edited on any of my computers will be automatically saved on OneDrive. I write a memo with Word on my laptop, save it, go to the city and Starbucks, open the same document on my Windows Phone while sipping my espresso, fly to Luxembourg and using my tablet print that memo on the hotel's printer. Using three devices, without a need to think on which device my document is. Any device, I click Open and I can see all my documents.

I don't have to remember to take that particular laptop or this tablet with me when I travel or simply go to city for coffee because absolutely everything I have, absolutely everything I save and modify and download is always accessible from any networked device everywhere in the world.

An added bonus: as often happens, one evening my PC suddenly dies. Of old age, of virus, whatever the reason. I am totally, completely, profoundly absolutely OK with it because I only need to get to any other networked Windows, Android, Linux, iOS or MacOS device and I can access everything I have. I never lose a single file, a single contact, a single email, a single photo, a single favorite website.

Esteemed tinfoil hat brigade, I feel sorry for you.

Kari