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  1.    23 Oct 2014 #1

    Ms PLEASE bring back ISO's again


    Hi there

    This "update in place" mechanism is a PAIN if it fails during the process -- this means you actually have to restore the previous image of your OS (if you have one), remedy the error and start again.

    Mine failed because I was nearly out of HDD space for the OS so it ran out of space. OK I restored the OS from an image, used GPARTED to increase the partition size and then OK started again. OK this time.

    Now in the "REAL WORLD" there will be many people who could be rendered with an inoperative computer if the update in place fails and there isn't an automatic roll back or the roll back fails. Some people (probably MOST who aren't on these forums) STILL don't take regular reliable backups !!! - Idiotic I know but true. !!

    Having an ISO would eliminate a lot of this - just wipe your HDD and install clean -- what's wrong with that idea.

    (I know currently there are some get around's on this (Kari's tutorial for example) but the average user won't do that of course).cre

    The update in place is a DOG on VM's too - probably worse than on a REAL machine - especially if you run out of HDD (Virtual) disk space for the OS. You need to backup the image of the VM, Create a NEW VM and then restore it !!. You can't just image the OS or copy the Virtual Disk files.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  2. Joined : Jul 2014
    UK
    Posts : 16,471
    Windows 10
       23 Oct 2014 #2

    Good idea to have the option of this to download it

    The only problem is would this work ok for the average user, I cant see many wanting to download an ISO, clean install and then install/setup all their apps again

    IMO, the in place upgrades/updates as they are now are best for the average user, for more technical the ISO could be offered
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  3.    23 Oct 2014 #3

    With Windows 8 Upgrade Assistant, most average users didn't know enough to choose the "Save as ISO for installation later" option either, but it would be nice for them to run the updates/upgrades like that always.
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  4. Joined : Oct 2013
    Standish, Lancashire
    Posts : 4,794
    Windows 10 Pro x64
       23 Oct 2014 #4

    You can always make your own ISO - https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/2...-esd-file.html
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  5.    23 Oct 2014 #5

    paulsalter said: View Post
    IMO, the in place upgrades/updates as they are now are best for the average user, for more technical the ISO could be offered

    ^^^^ Pretty much this, Microsoft should always make an ISO available (particularly for major updates) for people who want to do a clean install. What quite often happens is a family member or friend (or tenforums member) will end up doing it for them. Having an ISO that can be downloaded, saved to DVD/USB stick, then used on multiple machines is the best way.
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  6. Joined : Feb 2014
    Posts : 372
    Windows 10
       23 Oct 2014 #6

    z3r010 said: View Post
    Cool, thanks.
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  7. Joined : Nov 2013
    Toronto
    Posts : 4,289
    Win 10 Pro x64
       23 Oct 2014 #7

    jimbo45 said: View Post
    Hi there

    This "update in place" mechanism is a PAIN if it fails during the process -- this means you actually have to restore the previous image of your OS (if you have one), remedy the error and start again.

    Mine failed because I was nearly out of HDD space for the OS so it ran out of space. OK I restored the OS from an image, used GPARTED to increase the partition size and then OK started again. OK this time.

    Now in the "REAL WORLD" there will be many people who could be rendered with an inoperative computer if the update in place fails and there isn't an automatic roll back or the roll back fails. Some people (probably MOST who aren't on these forums) STILL don't take regular reliable backups !!! - Idiotic I know but true. !!

    Having an ISO would eliminate a lot of this - just wipe your HDD and install clean -- what's wrong with that idea.

    (I know currently there are some get around's on this (Kari's tutorial for example) but the average user won't do that of course).cre

    The update in place is a DOG on VM's too - probably worse than on a REAL machine - especially if you run out of HDD (Virtual) disk space for the OS. You need to backup the image of the VM, Create a NEW VM and then restore it !!. You can't just image the OS or copy the Virtual Disk files.

    Cheers
    jimbo



    Most users buy PCs with pre-installed OS. Those are the targetted users for this type of upgrade. Those are the people who probably don't mess around with partitions.



    And then there's us who likes playing with these OSes. If one chose to build his own PC and install his own OS, it is safe to assume that he has knowledge about PCs and knows how to go through and recover from a mess.



    I created the ISO last night and it took me about 15mins.







    I do hope MS considers the idea of releasing ISOs on each upgrade. But being creative with the help of forums like this is what fun is all about.
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  8. Joined : Apr 2014
    Denmark
    Posts : 207
    Windows 10 Pro
       23 Oct 2014 #8

    z3r010 said: View Post

    Thank you for info
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  9. Joined : Oct 2013
    A Finnish ex-pat in Germany
    Posts : 9,600
    Windows 10 Pro
       23 Oct 2014 #9

    I think Microsoft is not only testing new features of Windows UI but also testing a new distribution method for upgrades. Of course the normal install media be it a DVD or ISO download from Store will be available for Windows 10 when it's finally released but now, the testing phase with Tech Preview, they test the upgrade delivery, too.

    The method they have chosen is in fact quite good; the ESD file is highly compressed, in case of Build 9860 the ESD file is 1.1 GB or 30% smaller than the ISO created from it:

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    MS used the ESD (Electronic Software Delivery) file format first time in Windows 8 to 8.1 upgrade and is now apparently testing it further with Windows 10 Tech preview. I welcome this new upgrade method, 30% compression ratio is quite remarkable.

    Kari
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  10. Joined : Dec 2013
    Sydney, Nova Scotia, Canada
    Posts : 8,246
    Windows 10 IoT
       23 Oct 2014 #10

    Wasn't the no ISO deliberate, this time around, so they could test the upgrade process? That's the gist of what I've been reading anyway. This way anybody that wants the new build pretty well has to do the upgrade. Well the average Joe anyway. As we can see somebody already figured out a way around it, if your doing more than one PC.
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