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  1. gregrocker's Avatar
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    Seven running for several days with no issues yet.

    I did notice numerous Bluetooth drivers and turned it off from SysTray. What is the efficacy of turning it off in BIOS exactly?

    Also noticed special Advanced Boot Options>Troubleshoot option to Uninstall Preview Updates. I did not try these but wish I had since it may work better than Sys Restore which would not complete?

    Thanks.
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  2. Slartybart's Avatar
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       #12

    gregrocker said:
    Seven running for several days with no issues yet.

    I did notice numerous Bluetooth drivers and turned it off from SysTray. What is the efficacy of turning it off in BIOS exactly?

    Also noticed special Advanced Boot Options>Troubleshoot option to Uninstall Preview Updates. I did not try these but wish I had since it may work better than Sys Restore which would not complete?

    Thanks.
    Turning off BT in firmware doesn't load any resources for the device.
    Disabling BT in Device manager doesn't load any resources for the device, but allows you to turn it back on without booting to firmware.
    Turning off BT from the Systray only turns off the radio (I think)

    I'm not sure that I understand Advance Boot Options -> Troubleshoot.
    How did you reinstall Win7? You said that System Restore did not complete - was that from a backup image?
    Did you reinstall using a System Repair Disk and System image restore?
    Were the system partitions (WinRE, MSR, EFI, C:) partitions deleted first?
    Check Disk Mgr.

    Bill
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  3. gregrocker's Avatar
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    I didn't reinstall 7, this was a new 8 PC which he wanted 10 on.

    The repair attempts were all for 10. Startup Repair couldn't fix. System Restore couldn't complete.

    The drive was wiped before 10 installed to UEFI with Secure Boot remaining on. I didn't think to turn it off because there was no error. Later it blocked Macrium PE disk boot which is when I found it's on. I don't think it is at issue since 10 apparently runs with Secure Boot.
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  4. Slartybart's Avatar
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       #14

    Ah... this confused me
    Sorry there's not more. He wants 7 to replace it.
    and then
    Seven running for several days with no issues yet.

    Try turning off Secure boot, then the System Restore or Macrium (what are the images - Win8 ... Win10?)

    Win10 is locked down a bit, even SFC has trouble (a few hundred files [~800 a lot are language and font related] cannot be decompressed).

    Speccy, which accesses system information, fails to load dlls. It runs fine on Win8 and Win10 is basically 8.1 update 2.

    I'm not fully up to speed on GPT or UEFI, but there are mentions re: GPT about moving disks. Data disks are ok, system disks are tied to the machine they were created on. How does this apply? I'm not sure, but I think it might depend on how the process is initiated (from inside Windows or external boot).

    Don't quote me on that ... I really need to understand these things better.

    Bill
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  5. caperjack's Avatar
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       #15

    this thread is a good example of why people say not to install win10 preview on a day to day computer ,especially one with uefi bios and secure boot ,ect ect .I think
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  6. gregrocker's Avatar
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    I won't be installing it for any other enthusiasts except in Dual Boot. But there was no point in dual booting 8 because he didn't want it. So yes I should have insisted on 7. This is his secondary PC.

    Most modern hardware now has Secure Boot so it would be good to know if 8 users with it have kept it enabled when dualing 10.

    Bill it was 10 image made from installed Macrium using PE disk to attempt Recovery. Could have been burn. I'll try one on my 10 test partition.
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  7. Slartybart's Avatar
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       #17

    gregrocker said:
    I won't be installing it for any other enthusiasts except in Dual Boot. But there was no point in dual booting 8 because he didn't want it. So yes I should have insisted on 7. This is his secondary PC.

    Most modern hardware now has Secure Boot so it would be good to know if 8 users with it have kept it enabled when dualing 10.

    Bill it was 10 image made from installed Macrium using PE disk to attempt Recovery. Could have been burn. I'll try one on my 10 test partition.
    Thanks Greg,

    My hardware isn't all that modern - and HP BIOS limits user changes to bare minimum. Hence no Secure Boot on any of my machines.

    I'm still curious: if Secure Boot is disabled in the firmware before recovery is attempted, would that change your results?

    Please post what your test shows re: the burn.

    Bill
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