Win 10 Tech Preview is interesting but not compelling

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  1. Edwin's Avatar
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       #31

    I like WTP! I find it fast, smooth and all around nice.
    What's compelling is MS's obtrusive presence throughout and at the 'backdoor'!
    Oh well, I did click on the 'I accept' button!
    (I think it's the first EULA I've read completely!)
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  2. Posts : 1,806
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       #32

    Well maybe its just me :) but the biggest problem I'm finding is that it just doesn't feel any different to using 8.1 aside from the snipping tool and pdf's I mentioned the other day.

    I love the full size start screen, in fact that is one of the things that drew me to 8.1. I don't want a start menu or to revert back to a start me. Maybe things will develop (when Aero arrives ) but until there are some big changes I really wonder whether to continue at the moment. I probably will... but you know what I mean.
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  3. alphanumeric's Avatar
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       #33

    I already went back to 8.1 on my desktop PC. I'll leave 10 TP on my laptop for now.
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  4. caperjack's Avatar
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       #34

    Mooly said:
    Well maybe its just me :) but the biggest problem I'm finding is that it just doesn't feel any different to using 8.1 aside from the snipping tool and pdf's I mentioned the other day.

    I love the full size start screen, in fact that is one of the things that drew me to 8.1. I don't want a start menu or to revert back to a start me. Maybe things will develop (when Aero arrives ) but until there are some big changes I really wonder whether to continue at the moment. I probably will... but you know what I mean.
    you can disable the menu and use the start screen ,right click on the taskbar and go properties and navigation I think ,same as setting boot to desktop in win8 ,I to don't like the start menu ,never used it much since win95
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  5. Coke Robot's Avatar
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       #35

    paulsalter said:
    I agree on your thinking

    But why do we need to have a distinction between mobile/touch and desktop, cant people decide what is best (or default to the best and let it be changed if people want)

    For me I like the look of the 'Touch' options, Charms Bar, App switcher at top left, full screen apps

    I don't want my computer to work differently if I use the mouse to if I use the touch screen, I want a unified experience, the same results whichever option I chose
    I think the new Start Screen best delivers that. It will have a chunk of the old Start menu MFU list along with the Windows 8 Start Screen, but probably more improved.

    This I agree with, unified experience is best. Packaging a mobile/touch version and a desktop/mouse version doesn't seem all that logical, but at the same time it does. It depends on device context. I'd rather have the touch only version on an 8 inch tablet, I'd rather have a good multitasking set up on my desktop PC.
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  6. davehc's Avatar
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       #36

    "You can disable the menu and use the start screen ,right click on the taskbar and go properties and navigation I think ,same as setting boot to desktop in win8 ,I to don't like the start menu ,never used it much since win95"

    Unfortunately not quite so straightforward. I am hoping that it will be simplified in a future release.
    Procedure is Right click Taskbar - Properties - Start Menu Tab.
    Click the item at the top "Use the start menu ..etc"
    You will then get a pop up asking you to log out and in again. After that, you will be in the alternative menu. The procedure works either way.

    MS refer to this as "To Switch" and "Quick and easy" Easy? I guess. Quick - not likely.
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  7. Coke Robot's Avatar
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       #37

    Honestly, the Tech Preview isn't much of an enticer to upgrade anything as this build is just intended strictly for IT admins in the enterprise to see what's coming down the pipeline soon and get them salivating to upgrade their Windows 7 machines to 10. It's just an appetizer for that crowd.

    The Consumer Preview is when we'll get a truer glimpse at Windows 10 for what it's worth. Continuum and Cortana will be the main display, there BETTER be a freaking vastly improved version of Xbox Music, metro 2.0 for the Start Screen, and pretty much how Windows will scale on different PCs and devices. The Developer Preview this time round might actually be final code versus releasing a Release Candidate.

    As for the app snap in the four quadrants not working, it's not because those apps need to be updated for 10. Certain Windows 8 apps that were built for 8 (like the Windows Phone companion app ironically enough) and ran under 8.1 will not snap 50/50 properly not be resizable. In 10, they have to be tweaked for basically any size now as they're resizable like no other now.

    I'm more or less will be updating and upgrading all the PCs I've done with Windows 8 and some older 7 ones to 10 for sure. What's known about it makes me pretty confident it's going to be an inTENse release.
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  8. davehc's Avatar
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       #38

    How about Windows X. Sounds very appropriate.
    I am even more suspicious than Coke Robot. I suspect that this is Windows 8.1 (possibly update 2, which was cancelled) with a subtle implant of a preliminary start menu and a better Metro option switch to satisfy the menu complainers. A couple of insignificant things thrown in to top it. It is only an interim builds to test the water. Most of the system files remain unchanged from Windows 8.1.
    There are some remarkable claims of "enormous" improvements in boot speed and performance of individual items. Running Windows 8.1, alongside Windows X, on two identical laptops, shows me none of these. There are marginal differences, agreed, but nothing, so far, mind blowing. But it is early days. Let's wait for the other shoe to drop.
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  9. Posts : 1,806
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       #39

    caperjack said:
    you can disable the menu and use the start screen ,right click on the taskbar and go properties and navigation I think ,same as setting boot to desktop in win8 ,I to don't like the start menu ,never used it much since win95
    Thanks :) I have W10 as a parallel installation to W8.1 with both set up pretty much identically. Apart from knowing ones an 8yr old Acer laptop and the other a modern Dell you can't really tell the difference. Now switch back to Vista and it really hits you. You think, Wow, that looks nice, soft outlines, coloured and highlighted text on the left hand menus and so on. Give 10 a bit of that and I'll be paying more attention.
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  10. jimbo45's Avatar
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       #40

    Hi there

    If the SEARCH was a bit better, the start menu more customiseable and above all if I could change the text size so I could actually READ it then I quite like the idea of a menu.

    On W8.1 I used a cascading menu type of system via a "Custom Toolbar". With the menu you could replace your Custom toolbar with your items you've placed on the Menu.

    For a desktop type of system a Cascading menu is far better and simpler than endlessly scrolling tiles -- even on a Mobile phone the tile scrolling system gets tiresome when say you've got 4 pages of apps or more -- and the other draw back of a Tile system is that it's essentially "One dimensional". A lot of what we use on a desktop may need to have say a Main item and a lot of sub menus and sub-sub menus (i.e a Cascading menu) if the application is a complex one and has a lot of different functionality in it.

    W8.1 was OK but I think the menuing system is far better for what I need to do on a desktop provided the Menu works properly !!!.

    Cheers
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