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  1. Joined : Aug 2014
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       16 Oct 2014 #11

    alphanumeric said: View Post
    No, I don't think so. In 8.1 just moving them to one side of the screen offers up the 1/3 or 1/2 snap. Now they don't. They now have a fixed minimum size that is bigger than half screen so they won't snap at all. I can now snap desktop programs in quadrants though. Not what I wanted though.
    Maybe that will appear with other touch features in the next "milestone" preview.
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  2.    16 Oct 2014 #12

    Hi folks

    This OS was primarily designed to address the concerns of ("Non Touch") classical keyboard and Mouse desktop users who usually don't bother with those Metro thingy's anyway so as a first pass I think if you are a desktop user then it works very well.

    Touch users will be given I'm sure another preview before W10 makes final release -- there could even be several iterations.

    Remember this preview was done to address the concerns of a large number of W7 (and XP) users who Ms does want to get to upgrade. Going from W7 to W10 (desktop model) or even XP to W10 is not much of a leap - most users could do it without batting an eyelid.

    W8 (initially) was a whole new ballgame. W8.1 was streets better but still required a learning curve. I think W10 is a great compromise -- you can do stuff the OLD way but you can (when they get Touch and the metro thingy's working properly) also learn new (and possibly better) ways of working too.

    A win win situation.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  3. Joined : Jun 2014
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       16 Oct 2014 #13

    As a mouse and keyboard user I can't really "feel" any major differences between 8.1 and 10. By and large the user experience is the same.
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  4. Joined : Jul 2014
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       16 Oct 2014 #14

    I am still no convinced MS are going to bring much back when they release the consumer preview with more touch features added (though I would like to be proven wrong)
    They have made a big thing of telling people that they are removing the features of 8 that the majority hated

    What about the minority of people who like these features, used with a mouse

    It just looks to me like if you are a mouse/keyboard user then you can only have the desktop side of things, you want anything else then stick with 8 (same as they did for 7 users when 8 came out)
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  5.    16 Oct 2014 #15

    Mooly said: View Post
    As a mouse and keyboard user I can't really "feel" any major differences between 8.1 and 10. By and large the user experience is the same.
    Hi there

    For "Non computer Geeks" working every day in an office with Windows 7 (or even Windows XP) the whole navigation stuff on Windows 8 was nightmare -- with the charms stuff and all sorts of "effects" if they pointed their mouse at the screen.

    It's easy enough - especially with W8.1 to learn to handle it - but in the main we are talking about non technical people who just want to switch on a machine and start working. They don't want all sorts of things popping up whenever they move the mouse to the edge of the screen and they usually want a start menu.

    So for THEM W10 has fixed it properly.

    Users on these boards are much more technical (or at least we have to assume so) and therefore it's not too much of a big deal to switch from W8.1 (especially) or even W8 to W10.

    For a large proportion of "Joe Public" however W8 was a change to far. This puts it back again into decent AND FAMILIAR useability.
    @paulsalter - THIS preview was rushed out for DESKTOP users to show them that W10 could still be used in the same way the've always used Windows.

    Ms has clearly stated they want W10 to be useable both for Mobile/ Touch AND desktops so I'm 100% certain that there will be either updates or new builds coming out which will add the W8 features back that some people want.

    Ms had to bring W10 out QUICKLY otherwise W7 will become as someone put it "The new XP" where nobody would bother to update for YEARS if ever. Ms also wants to be in a position where it doesn't have to maintain a whole slew of different OS'es for ages and ages.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    Last edited by jimbo45; 16 Oct 2014 at 04:45.
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  6. Joined : Jul 2014
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       16 Oct 2014 #16

    jimbo45 said: View Post
    @paulsalter - THIS preview was rushed out for DESKTOP users to show them that W10 could still be used in the same way the've always used Windows.

    Ms has clearly stated they want W10 to be useable both for Mobile/ Touch AND desktops so I'm 100% certain that there will be either updates or new builds coming out which will add the W8 features back that some people want.
    I agree on your thinking

    But why do we need to have a distinction between mobile/touch and desktop, cant people decide what is best (or default to the best and let it be changed if people want)

    For me I like the look of the 'Touch' options, Charms Bar, App switcher at top left, full screen apps

    I don't want my computer to work differently if I use the mouse to if I use the touch screen, I want a unified experience, the same results whichever option I chose
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  7.    16 Oct 2014 #17

    jimbo45 said: View Post
    Hi there

    For "Non computer Geeks" working every day in an office with Windows 7 (or even Windows XP) the whole navigation stuff on Windows 8 was nightmare -- with the charms stuff and all sorts of "effects" if they pointed their mouse at the screen.

    It's easy enough - especially with W8.1 to learn to handle it - but in the main we are talking about non technical people who just want to switch on a machine and start working. They don't want all sorts of things popping up whenever they move the mouse to the edge of the screen and they usually want a start menu.

    So for THEM W10 has fixed it properly.

    Users on these boards are much more technical (or at least we have to assume so) and therefore it's not too much of a big deal to switch from W8.1 (especially) or even W8 to W10.

    For a large proportion of "Joe Public" however W8 was a change to far. This puts it back again into decent AND FAMILIAR useability.
    @paulsalter - THIS preview was rushed out for DESKTOP users to show them that W10 could still be used in the same way the've always used Windows.

    Ms has clearly stated they want W10 to be useable both for Mobile/ Touch AND desktops so I'm 100% certain that there will be either updates or new builds coming out which will add the W8 features back that some people want.

    Ms had to bring W10 out QUICKLY otherwise W7 will become as someone put it "The new XP" where nobody would bother to update for YEARS if ever. Ms also wants to be in a position where it doesn't have to maintain a whole slew of different OS'es for ages and ages.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    Well, I don't think Windows 10 has really fixed anything. Desktop wise I feel the menu is horrible, no separation of Legacy and Metro apps, you are unable to change text size, unable to arrange them, etc.. I am not at all happy how the tiles behave, nor am I fond of the overall aesthetics of it.

    Yes, it is Windows with a menu, just not a very nice one. I like almost everything else about it, but would be much happier with a Win 7 menu and able to switch to Metro as in Windows 8.

    And I am really confused as to why the taskbar is transparent but the menu itself is not, I don't understand the reasoning in that? Maybe future versions will address all these things.

    An after thought:
    I think it would be great if they had a Windows 7 Menu, with a toggle that opened and closed the tile menu. That would be sweet.
    Last edited by Trust_No1; 16 Oct 2014 at 05:06.
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  8. Joined : Aug 2014
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       16 Oct 2014 #18

    I don't really like the see-through Taskbar either (I prefer solid colour for that GUI element).
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  9.    16 Oct 2014 #19

    Hi there

    That's the whole point of the technical feedback so Ms can "adjust" things before release - they'd be better though at reading these forums than trawling through 100,000's of email etc.

    I'm sure the menu will be customisable and a load of other improvements too -- Ms HAVE to get this one right.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  10. Joined : Dec 2013
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       16 Oct 2014 #20

    lehnerus2000 said: View Post
    I don't really like the see-through Taskbar either (I prefer solid colour for that GUI element).
    I would really like to be able to turn the transparency OFF.
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