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  1. Joined : Oct 2014
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    Windows 7
       15 Oct 2014 #11

    I first saw multiple desktops in Linux about 14 years ago but I am quite certain it was not new then. There have been third party utilities that brought this to Windows since at least Windows 2000. The Mac also has multiple desktops. Windows 10 is the first version of Windows that supports this natively. Functionality appears to be very basic and probably not finished. Microsoft has specifically stated that Windows 10 is not yet feature complete.

    I have been using VirtuaWin with Windows 7 and find it convenient, particularly with many windows open. With only a few it is probably not worthwhile.

    Multiple desktops have been around for a long time and many people use them routinely, some no doubt claiming they could not get along without them. But like many other OS features they are not for everybody.
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  2. Joined : Sep 2014
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    Windows 10 Pro
       15 Oct 2014 #12

    It's about how you work.. some people don't like all the extra distractions of extra windows hanging around. They want to switch between virtual "workspaces" where all their windows stay as-is.

    The virtual desktop tools that have been around for a long time in Windows have worked so-so.. they all tend to have various problems because unlike Linux (and to some extent MacOS), Windows apps have a lot of control over their own "window chrome" and how they display themselves. So often times "smart" apps are fighting with these virtual desktop apps about how to display themselves and the virtual desktop app usually loses.
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  3. Joined : Oct 2013
    Wolves, England
    Posts : 1,634
    W7 Pro x64 | W10 IP x64 | Linux Mint VM
       15 Oct 2014 #13

    I don't see the difference between virtual desktops and combining taskbar buttons. Some may find it useful and more power to them, personally I just MS make it possible to unpin it from the taskbar to give me more room and get rid of an unwanted icon.
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  4.    15 Oct 2014 #14

    Hi

    Well I was just messing with it, I opened 4 full screen applications, and using the Task View button I can switch between them almost instantly without closing or minimizing any of them.

    The truth is that task view is one more step then just clicking on the icon on the task bar for the application you want to show on the screen. That's the way I've done it for years.

    I just don't see what having them on different desktops would do, that is different then having multiple windows open.

    I'll check out Youtube.

    Mike
    Last edited by MikeHawthorne; 15 Oct 2014 at 14:44.
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  5. Joined : Oct 2013
    Wolves, England
    Posts : 1,634
    W7 Pro x64 | W10 IP x64 | Linux Mint VM
       15 Oct 2014 #15

    MikeHawthorne said: View Post
    The truth is that task view is one more step then just clicking on the icon on the task bar for the application you want to show on the screen.
    That's the way I see it unless I'm completely missing something.
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  6. Joined : Sep 2014
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    Windows 10 Pro
       15 Oct 2014 #16

    The power is not when you have multiple full screen windows. But when you have multiple windows open per screen.

    Let's say you have 5 windows open on screen 1, and 6 windows open on screen 2, and 3 windows on screen 3. You can switch between them and they're all in the same positions as you left them. You don't have to minimize the other 8 windows to get to the same state.

    Windows has no way to say "I just want to see these 5 windows". That's what virtual desktops are for.
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  7. Joined : Oct 2013
    N Calif
    Posts : 658
    W10 Pro (desktop), W10 (laptop), W10 (laptop), W10Pro (tablet)
       15 Oct 2014 #17

    I look at it that it gives you the ability to group specific apps together for a certain task. For instance, you could have a desktop with the specific applications open and running that you would use to write a book. Maybe Word, a Thesaurus and browser open for research. Another desktop could have a different set of applications running that are required to do video editing or coding. You could switch between the desktops and have everything open and running for you to do a specific task. This would be much more useful if you could save the state of each virtual desktop so you could boot up with everything the way you want it.
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  8. Joined : Oct 2013
    Wolves, England
    Posts : 1,634
    W7 Pro x64 | W10 IP x64 | Linux Mint VM
       15 Oct 2014 #18

    Maybe that's why I'll never make use of it. Even when debugging, reading forums, checking emails and doing Photoshop work I manage it all on one desktop and I may have eight or nine windows open at once. I don't think I'll ever have enough windows open at the same time to warrant more than one active desktop.
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  9. Joined : Aug 2014
    Australia, Adelaide
    Posts : 1,390
    W7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), LM 18.1 MATE (64 bit), W10IP VM, W10 Home
       15 Oct 2014 #19

    Not as useful as they could be


    Mystere said: View Post
    The power is not when you have multiple full screen windows. But when you have multiple windows open per screen.

    Let's say you have 5 windows open on screen 1, and 6 windows open on screen 2, and 3 windows on screen 3. You can switch between them and they're all in the same positions as you left them. You don't have to minimize the other 8 windows to get to the same state.

    Windows has no way to say "I just want to see these 5 windows". That's what virtual desktops are for.
    Agreed.
    It also means that you can group all of the open windows by the type of activity (I believe you pointed this out earlier).

    For example I have "VituaWin + KvasdoPager" installed in W7.

    When I was studying Networking I needed to have open:

    • Multiple VMs
    • Multiple help files (PDFs and Word documents)
    • Browser
    • Exercise instructions & exercise answer sheet (Word documents)


    The VMs and browser were difficult to use unless they were full screen (thus requiring an several entire desktops).
    The help files could be displayed on another desktop.
    The instructions and answer sheet on yet another desktop.

    However "VituaWin + KvasdoPager" works like Linux Distro multiple workspaces.
    You are able to see little pictures representing the various programs on all of the virtual desktops.
    You can also just Drag & Drop the little pictures to other desktops, without leaving the desktop you are currently using.

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    At TAFE, they didn't have virtual desktops and the monitors were 1280x1024 making it horribly difficult to complete exercises in a reasonable time.
    At home, with my virtual desktop set up, it was much easier to complete the work.

    Boozad said: View Post
    I don't see the difference between virtual desktops and combining taskbar buttons.
    The W10TP implementation isn't as useful as it could be.
    Based on the current version, I guess no one at MS uses or understands virtual desktops.

    They are very useful when you have multiple windows of the same program open.
    If you have a dozen Word docs open, they all look the same in the thumbnail preview and on the Taskbar (also the titles are truncated).
    "Combined Icons" are horrible (just like the Mac OS X Launcher or Ubuntu Unity Bar) because you can't tell what is open or how many instance there are.

    Strangely enough, my friend who uses Arch Linux was only complaining about "Combined Icons", after he got home from work yesterday.
    As the de facto IT guy (because he uses Linux) he has to help his boss who uses a W7 laptop (with everything set to default).

    strollin said: View Post
    You could switch between the desktops and have everything open and running for you to do a specific task. This would be much more useful if you could save the state of each virtual desktop so you could boot up with everything the way you want it.
    GNOME has something like what you have described.
    GNOME calls it "Activities".
    http://www.linuceum.com/Distros/osWorkspaceGnome3.php
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  10. Joined : Sep 2014
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    Windows 10 Pro
       15 Oct 2014 #20

    lehnerus2000 said: View Post
    The W10TP implementation isn't as useful as it could be.
    Based on the current version, I guess no one at MS uses or understands virtual desktops.
    Once again, it's likely that this is not feature complete. Microsoft uses Agile software methodology, which develops software in "sprints" based on features... as things go along they add more features. This is likely just the first set of functionality.
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