Windows 10: OK I hated windows 8/8.1 but I like 10 why?

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  1.    16 Oct 2014 #41

    Come to think of it, this does sound a lot like the arguments from DOS users when Windows first came out... "It's a toy". "Do real work at the command prompt". "The world runs on a command prompt". "It's too strange and distracting". "I hate it, and so does everyone else".
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  2.    16 Oct 2014 #42

    HippsieGypsie said: View Post
    Argue? Perhaps you must think that someone that doesn't agree with you are arguing? Simply stating my point of view as others are and just as those that came on 8F to slam the OS simply because they didn't understand it and/or like the concept. And yes, unfortunately I'm starting to see the same thing happening here.

    Perhaps you didn't run 8.x long enough to know that it came with a desktop, which IMO is nothing but a UI that needs to die off for a great number of reasons. Reasons, obviously, very few understand. 8.x was written and presented by what I think is the greatest software company on the planet. Now all of a sudden they and those that understand the concept are ostracized for doing such. Ironically 8.x was produced by the same team as 7. I think some tend to forget that.

    If anything they made the mistake of presenting it too quickly creating what I'll call a shock effect. "That's not the way we've always performed it in the past!" Just because it was performed that way doesn't mean that there's not a better way. Just like MSDos to Windows 95 UI then onto succeeding OSs. All changed to find a better way. Now we've reached a major crossroads in computing and all of a sudden the ground is rumbling. Markets change and OSs need to change along with it also.

    Did you ever stop to think that not only did Gates and the crew write great software, but also grew to know how to run what has become one of the world's largest and successful corporations? They weren't wimps in doing so. They all worked very hard to get to where they're at today. I should think that they know how to present the next productive OS. Yes, I said productive OS such as 8.x are, especially 8.1.

    My hat off to you and others in your accomplishment of 7F. Great OS and forum. No doubt whatsoever. Unfortunately I and others didn't have time for it for we were busy with other things in life or we simply weren't working IT. I'm not a geek in the truest sense of the word, but I'm proud to be a part of the 8F community and help there the best I can. You have no right to judge us for standing our ground about 8.x for the most part. Simply not our problem you and others rejected it.

    Personally I was in the construction industry selling and performing my talents there. Though not as savvy in tech as you and others are, I did, however, sit countless hours for 25 years behind a PC with multiple programs open performing estimates within Office suite, mostly Excel spreadsheets, Word for contracts & proposals, picture slide shows using PowerPoint, and Access for databases. Contracting bidding guideline programs, IE for internet access to accounts concerning building materials & research, Notepad, Calculator, a PDF reader for blueprints, email client, contacts, accounting program (although that was eventually handed off to an accountant), research on weather conditions & forecasts, a phone headset, and a 4-in-one just to name a few. I think this pretty much qualifies me as a power user. Also had cell phones since the bags, in which the construction industry greatly helped to popularize and boost sales.

    Bottom line is that no IT pro is going to tell me what works best for me or others so far as productivity within an OS is concerned. IT pros should stick to the day to day technical issues, not judge on whether an OS is productive or not in an office environment. Though semi retired now, I wish I had the 8.x system when in my prime. Furthermore, I have the greatest software company backing me on that. I and others aren't losing out whatsoever.

    MS set up a plan to develop 10. They presented a Tech Preview template, a feedback app, and are collecting user data to do so. I, for one, am expecting the "next OS" to be even more productive whether or not I agree with all the features included.
    Thanks HG, very stated. . .
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       16 Oct 2014 #43

    Mystere said: View Post
    Come to think of it, this does sound a lot like the arguments from DOS users when Windows first came out... "It's a toy". "Do real work at the command prompt". "The world runs on a command prompt". "It's too strange and distracting". "I hate it, and so does everyone else".
    To be fair, the original GUI tools were a bit feeble.

    I was using programs like X-Tree around that time.
    The GUI stuff looked interesting, but it wasn't as useful as the Command Prompt or X-Tree.

    I'm sure quite a few Linux Server admins would still argue that "real" work is done using the Terminal and scripts.
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       17 Oct 2014 #44

    Lee said: View Post
    Thanks HG, very stated. . .
    Thanks, Lee.
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  5.    17 Oct 2014 #45

    lehnerus2000 said: View Post
    To be fair, the original GUI tools were a bit feeble.

    I was using programs like X-Tree around that time.
    The GUI stuff looked interesting, but it wasn't as useful as the Command Prompt or X-Tree.

    I'm sure quite a few Linux Server admins would still argue that "real" work is done using the Terminal and scripts.
    I don't disagree. Just as the early Metro apps were also pretty feeble, but all things have to evolve from simple to complex. Each new release, and update has included more API's and stronger functionality, just as each new release of Windows did.

    Problem is, a lot of people refuse to see it that way, and assume that Metro will always be the same way as when it was first released. They don't see it as an evolving system that gets better, just as that crappy system they don't want and refuse to consider.
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  6.    17 Oct 2014 #46

    Lee said: View Post
    Thanks HG, very stated. . .
    Hi there

    100% and more I agree with you

    -- I've been in the Oil and Gas 'biz for the last part of my working life plus doing free lance Pro photography gigs particularly for In house technical mags and also the Travel Industry (also involves some writing too) - before that I was an Electrical Engineer and I did get some education on the old IBM mainframe systems too (MVS/370 for example -- a brilliant OS in its day incorporating a lot of stuff modern OS'es are still using such as "Privileged execution mode" and the concept of Virtual storage and paging - and above all multi-tasking.

    What DOES annoy me about a lot of modern I.T Geeks when I request something - the first question they always ask is "Why do you need it -- we can't see a use for it ...."

    Now most of these people have NO concept of some of the stuff we do -- so trying to explain why I would need a decent size screen for displaying geological maps or needing all sorts of other stuff for running complex analytical spread sheets trying to optimise operations on drilling procurement and operations is just a waste of time.

    The guys in the I.T services on the whole do a great job providing I.T infrastructure but trying to get them to understand exactly what we are doing is a 100% waste of time.

    I don't expect to tell a fully qualified Lawyer or Tax account on how they do their jobs so I'd expect as a fully qualified experienced Gas and Oil engineer of many years standing to be treated with the same sort of respect too - and not be beholden to some offshored "young twerp" asking me if "I really need this " !!!!.

    I'll let them get on with sorting out the I.T problems but they should let me run my applications properly too -- it's a a TWO WAY STREET -- they are OUR customers not the other way around !!!!!

    @ I.T guys -- not having a go at you -- difficult job these days I know - but you need to be a bit more accommodating of US (your users) too -- we aren't all 100% bovine idiots !!! althougn at times we might seem to be. !!!!

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  7.    17 Oct 2014 #47

    jimbo45 said: View Post
    Hi there

    @ I.T guys -- not having a go at you -- difficult job these days I know - but you need to be a bit more accommodating of US (your users) too -- we aren't all 100% bovine idiots !!! althougn at times we might seem to be. !!!!
    https://www.tenforums.com/general-dis...tml#post158745
    Cheers
    jimbo
    Excellent point - that's why a change management team is indispensible to ensure proper communication between all parties (brass, dev, user)...

    Overall I think WTP is OK...kudos to M$ for "seeing the light" (sorry no long explanatory post)
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       17 Oct 2014 #48

    WOW, good read
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       17 Oct 2014 #49

    Mystere said: View Post
    Problem is, a lot of people refuse to see it that way, and assume that Metro will always be the same way as when it was first released. They don't see it as an evolving system that gets better, just as that crappy system they don't want and refuse to consider.
    OTOH, maybe they don't see any benefits for them personally.

    It could also be similar to some business products here in Australia (I don't know if you have this issue in the US).

    A number of times I've received letters claiming that they are improving their customer service.
    This of course entails additional fees (for something I never asked for and can't cancel).

    The weird thing is I never see any improvements, but I do see the additional money being sucked out of my bank accounts.
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       18 Oct 2014 #50

    lehnerus2000 said: View Post
    OTOH, maybe they don't see any benefits for them personally.

    It could also be similar to some business products here in Australia (I don't know if you have this issue in the US).

    A number of times I've received letters claiming that they are improving their customer service.
    This of course entails additional fees (for something I never asked for and can't cancel).

    The weird thing is I never see any improvements, but I do see the additional money being sucked out of my bank accounts.
    that happens here in Canada too. for me anyway, with cell phone and cable tv , flip phones will or already do ,not work anymore ,you must use a phone with a data plan ,cable tv went digital ,we needed new boxes ,first one free ,monthly rent on additional ones ect ect .they even stopped broadcasting basic tv to rural areas where I live ,now if you want tv you got 2 maybe 3 choices ,cable if offered or 2 different satellite company's
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