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  1.    26 Oct 2014 #71
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    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    Strange how that wasn't an issue until people started complaining that Gadgets weren't included in W8.
    Actually, there was a serious security flaw released at the blackhat conference 2 years ago, and Microsoft made the decision to deprecate gadgets completely, since they didn't plan to support them in Windows 8 anyways.

    Security flaws signal early death of Windows Gadgets | ZDNet
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  2.    26 Oct 2014 #72
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    Strange how that wasn't an issue until people started complaining that Gadgets weren't included in W8.
    Actually, there was a serious security flaw released at the blackhat conference 2 years ago, and Microsoft made the decision to deprecate gadgets completely, since they didn't plan to support them in Windows 8 anyways.

    Security flaws signal early death of Windows Gadgets | ZDNet
    When people started complaining ~2.5 years ago during the W8 CP (or W8 RP) there was an announcement saying Gadgets were a menace.
    Ars Technica
    Microsoft fix kills Windows Gadgets, warns it could lead to PC hijacks | Ars Technica


    While Microsoft has a vested interest in getting Windows customers to move to Windows 8, many people figure they aren't going to be upgrading any time soon. So why, they ask, should they ditch Gadgets they've been using for years, when there haven't been any major warnings -- much less infections -- until now?
    InfoWorld
    Time to kill (most) Windows Gadgets | InfoWorld

    As far as I can see, the real issue was that people were installing Gadgets that constantly interacted with the Internet.

    IMO, the timing was too convenient.

    MS eliminated the Start Menu code (after W8 DP) when they found out that people were using a Registry setting to restore it, to force people to use the Start Screen.
    I suspect their telemetry showed that people then started installing Start Menu replacements.
    So then they eliminated "made a lot of noise" about Gadgets to "force" people to use Live Tiles, which meant you had to use the Start Screen.
    Last edited by lehnerus2000; 26 Oct 2014 at 23:02. Reason: Clarification
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  3.    26 Oct 2014 #73

    I don't think they eliminated gadgets. They are still a very popular feature in an OS whose popularity has never been higher. While they refused to fix the rendering problems in IE11 because of insisting they are no longer supported, they have not been disabled and millions still use them.

    There are nearly identical gadgets with many more selections added that are available for 8 + 10 at 8GadgetPack - Gadgets for Windows 8. I'm using them now.
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  4.    26 Oct 2014 #74
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    Quote Originally Posted by gregrocker View Post
    I don't think they eliminated gadgets.
    Eliminated was the wrong word.

    I meant that they "made a lot of noise" about them (just like Secure Boot).
    More accurately, a lot of blogs suddenly ran articles about it and by that, I mean Chicken-Little-style noise ("The sky is falling!").

    MS doesn't supply them any more.
    http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/gadgets
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  5.    27 Oct 2014 #75
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    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    When people started complaining ~2.5 years ago during the W8 CP (or W8 RP) there was an announcement saying Gadgets were a menace.
    Ars Technica
    Microsoft fix kills Windows Gadgets, warns it could lead to PC hijacks | Ars Technica
    The part you're ignoring, and the part that wasn't mentioned in your linked article, was the fact that the vulnerability was published in a blackhat whitepaper. It was real, not something mysteriously made up. Certainly, it's true that Microsoft could have fixed the vulnerability instead of killing gadgets, but it's no conspiracy that the flaw existed (and still exists today) in the gadget system.
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  6.    27 Oct 2014 #76

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    When I say that I restored twice I mean that I restored using a System Image file that I had created.
    I have made 8 image files so far about one every other day.

    I have now restored 4 times.

    To make the System Image files I use, EaseUS TODO backup.
    It's very easy to use and takes about 15 minutes to make an image of my C:\Windows 10 partition.

    It takes about the same amount of time to restore it.

    Before I make the Image File I run Malwarebytes, CCleaner, and defrag the files on the disk using Defraggler.

    So when I restore it I'm right back where I was.

    I don't install any of the software in the C:\ drive, I created a folder on another drive "Windows 10 software and image backups" so that I keep the size of the backup down to about 17 Gigabytes.

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  7.    27 Oct 2014 #77
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    The part you're ignoring, and the part that wasn't mentioned in your linked article, was the fact that the vulnerability was published in a blackhat whitepaper. It was real, not something mysteriously made up. Certainly, it's true that Microsoft could have fixed the vulnerability instead of killing gadgets, but it's no conspiracy that the flaw existed (and still exists today) in the gadget system.
    Obviously there must have been something wrong with the Gadget model or someone would have "called them on it".
    BTW, MS also warned that 3rd party Gadgets were problematic in October 2013.

    The InfoWorld article describes what the issue was (SOP - dodgy coding):
    While Gadgets work a lot like Web pages, running on the desktop, they aren't subject to many of the restrictions that normal Web pages encounter. Shaktov and Kohlenberg give one frightening example: By default, Gadgets can call up any ActiveX control. Gadgets run with standard user privileges and are prohibited from requesting UAC approval for any Administrator actions -- but the Gadget can run a locally installed application, and that application can raise a UAC prompt.

    Perhaps the biggest vulnerability lies in the way Gadgets are given free rein when interacting with the Internet. Browsers have built-in protection against cross-domain hijacking, code injection, or man-in-the-middle attacks. Gadgets don't have any of that protection.

    More damning, antivirus products aren't particularly adept at identifying malicious Gadgets. "[B]y design a gadget can perform actions exactly like a traditional compiled executable but operate under a completely different scope within the Sidebar process. Simply put, a gadget can do all that an executable can, without being considered as executable by the antivirus software," according to Shaktov and Kohlenberg's paper.
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    Time to kill (most) Windows Gadgets | InfoWorld

    That info indicates that it should have been obvious from "Day 1" that the (security) model was broken.
    An embarrassing oversight, since MS put a lot of work (or claimed that they had) into the Vista and W7 security.

    They put a lot of effort into taming ActiveX in Internet Explorer, but ignored it elsewhere?
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  8.    27 Oct 2014 #78
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    It should be okay. Anyone can use gadgets..... AT THEIR OWN RISK.
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  9.    27 Oct 2014 #79
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    Quote Originally Posted by badrobot View Post
    It should be okay. Anyone can use gadgets..... AT THEIR OWN RISK.
    Unfortunately that is basically true of most (if not all) software.
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  10.    28 Oct 2014 #80
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    to all xp win 7 and windows8 users myself a windows 7 user bought new laptop 12 months ago with windows 8 preinstalled used for 3 weeks hated windows 8 so installed windows 7 I thought I will never give up windows7 then when windows tec preview was released I tried it after 2 days installed it as clean install over win 7 then installed new build 9860 wow if this was the final version of wind 10 I would buy it today I am not a windows fanboy just a novice 7 year casual user believe me microsoft has a massive hit on their hands.ps I forgot the Vista garbage that I swopped for xp
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