Windows 10: I hate W10

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  1.    27 Sep 2015 #31

    First of all, people forget that Microsoft has *ALWAYS* fiddled with the OS and Apps to try to find better ways to do things, and they don't always succeed... For example, back in the Windows 98 and Windows 2000 days, Microsoft created these horrible "self-hiding" menus (it hid menu items you didn't use very often). in XP they got rid of them and there was much rejoicing.

    Then Microsoft created the Ribbon, which has been much more divisive. You either love it or hate it. Many people love it, and unfortunately for those that hate it, it's been more successful than not.

    Microsoft is now moving away from desktop apps (Win32 applications) to WinRT apps. Lots of people wonder why they didn't just wait to make this change when everything was done. And the answer is that they tried this....

    Did you ever wonder why it took 6 years for them to release a new OS after XP? That's because they were creating a whole new OS, that was then code-named Longhorn. It was based on the .NET framework, and basically they found that too much change all at once just didn't work. People needed compatibility "bridges" and to take major changes like this slowly. That's how the transition from Windows 3.x to NT happened. Windows 9x was that Bridge" and took 6 years for it to complete.

    The transition to WinRT is even longer in coming because it's much more of a change. But, like the previous transitions from DOS to 3.x to NT/XP, each new release brings more of the new OS.
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  2.    27 Sep 2015 #32

    Mystere said: View Post
    .. like the previous transitions from DOS to 3.x to NT/XP, each new release brings more of the new OS.
    Yes, but WHAT? Seems to me that something here has stalled (this isn't a MS complaint at all). Already we have moved from local to cloud. I can't see what next - thin client again?
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       27 Sep 2015 #33

    halasz said: View Post
    Yes, but WHAT? Seems to me that something here has stalled (this isn't a MS complaint at all). Already we have moved from local to cloud. I can't see what next - thin client again?
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  4.    27 Sep 2015 #34

    halasz said: View Post
    Yes, but WHAT? Seems to me that something here has stalled (this isn't a MS complaint at all). Already we have moved from local to cloud. I can't see what next - thin client again?
    It's not cloud or touch or anything like that. It's technology. WinRT apps are a different OS with a different API. This API is more portable between different platforms than Win32 was. Yes, it's possible to port Win32 apps to ARM or other processors, but it was much more difficult to do so consistently, and it was typically a lot of work, especially for GUI heavy apps.

    WinRT is about harmonization of all platforms, and not just for desktops... servers as well. Eventually even server apps will be written to WinRT.

    Win32 will eventually transition from the primary OS to a "compatibility mode" that runs in a virtualization layer, and at that point you can officially call it an afterthought.
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  5.    27 Sep 2015 #35

    halasz said: View Post
    I'm interested here, and please don't think I'm being sarky or anything, but what newer software?

    What new software (apart from Games) has been written for legacy Windows since, I don't know, 1992?

    Nothing right? Updates for Office with better spell check, bigger version of Photoshop, bigger version of PDF reader, the odd utility to do something the OS should do anyway.

    If you can name ONE new program written in the last decade (or even 2 decades) that did anything new (not an upgrade or a rip-off but something genuinely NEW) then I'll eat my hat.
    I didn't say innovative SW but newer versions of same ilk. How many of newer SW would be able to run on 1992 HW ?. Not to mention games. Try running GTA5 on 5 - 6 year old computer.
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  6.    27 Sep 2015 #36

    CountMike said: View Post
    I didn't say innovative SW but newer versions of same ilk. How many of newer SW would be able to run on 1992 HW ?. Not to mention games. Try running GTA5 on 5 - 6 year old computer.
    Bfff. I can't run GTA5 at all and mine is only 2013...

    I guess I agree with @Mystere (he writes better than me). There isn't much (any) new development on the old OS but as far as I can see there isn't much on the new one either...
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       27 Sep 2015 #37

    What I like about Windows 10 and the new Office 2016 at last my printer works without having to have a third party Office installed.
    I used to have to with windows 8 and office 365 or 2013 and the ones before that copy and paste to open office then print.
    Now I can just click on what I want printed and away my wifi printer goes.
    So now no more third party office for me.
    Also once my subscription as finished on incredimail then will link all my e-mails into one via the new outlook.
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  8.    27 Sep 2015 #38

    halasz said: View Post
    Bfff. I can't run GTA5 at all and mine is only 2013...

    I guess I agree with @Mystere (he writes better than me). There isn't much (any) new development on the old OS but as far as I can see there isn't much on the new one either...
    Uhh.. what? there's 10's of thousands of new apps for WinRT. Now, granted, most of those are junk. But, there are still thousands of new apps that are legitimate and totally new.
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  9.    27 Sep 2015 #39

    Mystere said: View Post
    Uhh.. what? there's 10's of thousands of new apps for WinRT. Now, granted, most of those are junk. But, there are still thousands of new apps that are legitimate and totally new.
    What I mean is something you HAVE to have. Like (in my case) Office, Notepad++ and VLC. I don't see any new MUST HAVE apps doing something new.

    Mind you if anyone could think of one they would be on the way to be a millionaire.
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       27 Sep 2015 #40

    I have had several OS since 1965 and ME which oozed resources was the only one that gave me problems, I just learned to restart before I worked with photos or music. Vista had a problem which was corrected with an update. I don't like W 8, 8.1 and especially 10. I do hate it and hope it is not the future. I can use 8 or 8.1, just preferred previous OSs. Some of my good luck with those OSs maybe because I don't do near the things people in this forums. It's the very basic stuff for me.
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