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  1.    17 Sep 2015 #11
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    Quote Originally Posted by jds63 View Post
    Who is ??
    Computer Type PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model Number Lenovo
    OS Windows 10

    Is that pretty much what you wanted jds
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  2.    17 Sep 2015 #12
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bazz View Post
    Computer Type PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model Number Lenovo
    OS Windows 10

    Is that pretty much what you wanted jds
    I did ? I was quoting Navy.
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  3.    17 Sep 2015 #13
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    It really doesn't matter, desktop or laptop. What we are talking about is a delay allowed by the bios for the user to press a key to either enter bios setup or choose the boot device. That is a function 100% of the bios and cannot be changed by Windows for two reasons:

    1. Whatever delay function setting the bios uses to either insert a delay, not insert a delay, or determine the length of the delay is stored in EPROM. The address where the value is stored in EPROM and what that value represents can be anywhere and anything in EPROM. For Windows to change that it would have to know what address the setting is stored at and what the value represents and that is simply impossible. Write the wrong value to the wrong address and the entire bios can become corrupted, more often than not requiring EPROM chip replacement.

    2. The delay that bios inserts to allow a key to be pressed for setup or boot device choice occurs before any boot files are loaded from any source. Thus that delay cannot be affected by Windows.

    Now - there can be a delay built into the boot loader to allow the boot loader to hand off booting to a different source and that is a function of the operating system and Windows can certainly interfere with that. But it is impossible for the operating system to interfere with bios created delays.
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  4.    17 Sep 2015 #14
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    Quote Originally Posted by jds63 View Post
    I did ? I was quoting Navy.
    Seems you and I are on the same page
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  5.    17 Sep 2015 #15
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bazz View Post
    Seems you and I are on the same page
    See true as i was going to say, for one secure boot did not matter can be on both.

    Seems i have a shadow tonite
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  6.    17 Sep 2015 #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLCDR View Post
    It really doesn't matter, desktop or laptop. What we are talking about is a delay allowed by the bios for the user to press a key to either enter bios setup or choose the boot device. That is a function 100% of the bios and cannot be changed by Windows for two reasons:

    1. Whatever delay function setting the bios uses to either insert a delay, not insert a delay, or determine the length of the delay is stored in EPROM. The address where the value is stored in EPROM and what that value represents can be anywhere and anything in EPROM. For Windows to change that it would have to know what address the setting is stored at and what the value represents and that is simply impossible. Write the wrong value to the wrong address and the entire bios can become corrupted, more often than not requiring EPROM chip replacement.

    2. The delay that bios inserts to allow a key to be pressed for setup or boot device choice occurs before any boot files are loaded from any source. Thus that delay cannot be affected by Windows.

    Now - there can be a delay built into the boot loader to allow the boot loader to hand off booting to a different source and that is a function of the operating system and Windows can certainly interfere with that. But it is impossible for the operating system to interfere with bios created delays.
    Hence take out the battery.

    Press the power button.

    None of this takes away the manufacturer causing the problem in the first place
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  7.    17 Sep 2015 #17
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bazz View Post
    Hence take out the battery.
    Again, does not matter, no laptop here in specs i see, except Navy.
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  8.    17 Sep 2015 #18
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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLCDR View Post
    It really doesn't matter, desktop or laptop. What we are talking about is a delay allowed by the bios for the user to press a key to either enter bios setup or choose the boot device. That is a function 100% of the bios and cannot be changed by Windows for two reasons:

    1. Whatever delay function setting the bios uses to either insert a delay, not insert a delay, or determine the length of the delay is stored in EPROM. The address where the value is stored in EPROM and what that value represents can be anywhere and anything in EPROM. For Windows to change that it would have to know what address the setting is stored at and what the value represents and that is simply impossible. Write the wrong value to the wrong address and the entire bios can become corrupted, more often than not requiring EPROM chip replacement.

    2. The delay that bios inserts to allow a key to be pressed for setup or boot device choice occurs before any boot files are loaded from any source. Thus that delay cannot be affected by Windows.

    Now - there can be a delay built into the boot loader to allow the boot loader to hand off booting to a different source and that is a function of the operating system and Windows can certainly interfere with that. But it is impossible for the operating system to interfere with bios created delays.
    Thanks for informative explanation,Navy, hope it can help Thread Starter.
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  9.    17 Sep 2015 #19
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    If it is a desktop take out the battery on the MB for a few secs and hold down the power button.
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  10.    17 Sep 2015 #20
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bazz View Post
    If it is a desktop take out the battery on the MB for a few secs and hold down the power button.
    oh, you meant clear the CMOS.
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