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  1. Joined : Oct 2014
    Posts : 27
    Windows 10 preview
       05 Oct 2014 #31

    linw said: View Post
    I don't think it is a Defender issue. It is an update issue. Any update will trigger this.

    The real issue, I believe, is that there is no effective mechanism to cancel the request after it has done its job.

    I also had an appropriate srvvnet request this morning but it disappeared after a while. The svchost (wuauserv) one just outstays its welcome and it needs a restart to clear it.

    This is what's happening on my machine, anyway.
    Yeah but as David said earlier Defender update frequently, but regular updates not. So he doesn't have the problem and I have.
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  2. Joined : Oct 2014
    Posts : 297
    10x64
       05 Oct 2014 #32

    linw said: View Post
    Windows Defender doesn't update every day. Just when needed. But this preview edition will no doubt get frequent irregular updates. Time will tell on that, though.

    My win 10 is an over 8.1 upgrade so may be a different setup to a VM regarding sleep.

    Continue the learning curve!!
    Actually, under 8.1 my Defender updated at least daily--sometimes twice a day. But, I had my updates set to notify me but do nothing else automatically. Some days I'd manually download two updates...but I'd say the average is pretty close to daily. Or rather was, under 8.1. Come to think of it--it's about the same with Win10 so far...

    Sleep is often more a problem with device manufacturers and the Windows drivers they release--it's not really a "Windows" problem, per se. It becomes especially problematic in laptops which sacrifice everything on the altar of power conservation for battery life, and in which 2nd-tier components and drivers are often used (and rarely updated), as well. The problem with devices and their drivers isn't so much the "going to sleep"...it's the "waking up" that hurts...

    I disable both sleep and hibernation system-wide and have done so for years...with the exception that I generally have no trouble with monitors "sleeping" as they generally wake quickly and without complaint. People have to watch disconnecting their hard drives, their PCIe slots, and etc. as although all of that makes sense for battery life conservation theoretically, what good does that do if your machine refuses to wake? I don't use laptops of any description these days except when I'm forced to, but I find that simply setting my cpu and gpu to throttle way down when I don't need the power is more than sufficient for me (my cpu is set to drop to 10% of full speed and ramp up the power on demand only as needed, and my GPU is automatically set to do about the same thing itself.) Things stay cool when they should be and power is conserved when it makes sense--and ramp up on demand is perfect and never causes me problems. (I think Intel calls it "Speed Step" and AMD calls it "Cool 'n Quiet," for their cpus.) Best of all--no problems ever with "sleep" because when it never sleeps it never has to wake up... My boxes sleep every day *only* when I shut them down.
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  3. Joined : Oct 2014
    Posts : 1,309
    win 10 Insider
       05 Oct 2014 #33

    orbitalfenestra said: View Post
    Yeah but as David said earlier Defender update frequently, but regular updates not. So he doesn't have the problem and I have.
    But David has his win 10 under VM in win 7 so his may well not be comparable.
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  4. Joined : Oct 2014
    Posts : 330
    Multi-Boot W7_Pro_x64 W8.1_Pro_x64 W10_Pro_x64
       05 Oct 2014 #34

    I just tested auto sleep on the Win 10 VM and it worked.
    I set it to 1 minute for a quick test.
    I changed it 30 minutes and will see how it works the next few days.
    I really don't see much need for auto sleep on a VM as the PC will still be running because of Host activity...
    But, testing it, it didn't cause any issues going to sleep or waking up so I'll play with auto sleep and see if it works.
    In VMware it puts the machine into "suspended" state.

    I like sleep and hibernate and it works for me on Win 7 and Win 8.1.1.
    I did have sleep issues because of srvnet requests but overrides fixed that issue.

    As far as Windows Defender definition updates, in Win 7 MSE and Win 8.x WD a scheduled task can be created to automatically update the definitions.
    I assume this would work in Win 10, but haven't set up a task and tested it myself.
    Not sure if such a task would help, if definition updates are causing a sleep issue ???
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  5. Joined : Oct 2014
    Posts : 1,309
    win 10 Insider
       05 Oct 2014 #35

    My problem is not Definition updates. Any update registers a power request and this never gets released. I did a manual update which gave a request svchost.exe (ProfSvc). Any of these execution requests stops sleep.

    I tried your override and see in requestsoverride:-
    [SERVICE]
    svchost.exe EXECUTION

    The override doesn't work as it won't sleep, regardless.
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  6. Joined : Nov 2013
    Idaho USA
    Posts : 4,534
    OS X, Win 10
       06 Oct 2014 #36

    What is it that folks don't understand about win 10. . .it is a tech preview. . .there are going to be problems, albeit I have not had the problem you are talking about on any Windows OS. Also there is the shut down method (it does work).
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  7. Joined : Oct 2014
    Posts : 1,309
    win 10 Insider
       06 Oct 2014 #37

    What is it about tech preview that you don't understand? Why do you think MS put this out approx 9 mths before release?

    What would have been the point unless they were looking for feedback from 'ordinary' users? Why did they include a Feedback app do you think?

    And why would we care if you shutdown your system? That's going to help MS debug the OS, isn't it.
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  8. Joined : Oct 2014
    Posts : 25
    Win10-64 Pro
       06 Oct 2014 #38

    Lee said: View Post
    What is it that folks don't understand about win 10. . .it is a tech preview. . .there are going to be problems, albeit I have not had the problem you are talking about on any Windows OS. Also there is the shut down method (it does work).
    This is the entire reason I think the topic is being addressed - to try to weed out any possible system issues so MS can be presented with enough information to fix a sleep problem which cropped up for MANY users in Win8.1 and may have carried over to Win10b. I assume others are using the facilities MS has included with Win10b to report the problem as well. I have. So, this particular folk DOES understand that Win10 is currently a tech preview release - released in order to discover problems and issues so that they might be addressed before Win10 is officially released. I would think that at least most people who've posted in this thread so far didn't do so simply to complain.

    waltc said: View Post
    Sleep is often more a problem with device manufacturers and the Windows drivers they release--it's not really a "Windows" problem, per se.
    While this may be so, in my case (and several others) with Win8.1 the fact that switching from a Microsoft account login to a local login solves the sleeping problem reliably would seem to indicate that it actually IS a "Windows" problem. I can't yet say that it's the same issue on Win10 - I'm running Win10b on a VMware Workstation platform which makes it very difficult to nail down a causation. I'm having issues with sleep on this platform, but it's hard to know at this juncture if it has anything to do with the same issue which causes me problems on 8.1 (but not 8.) Plus, as anyone who uses Workstation knows, there are normal issues using that platform for testing something like this which would often render results inconclusive.

    I CAN definitely indicate, however, that the problems @linw is reporting as the causation for his sleep problem on Win10b is not the same issue causing the sleep problem on my Win8.1 install...
    Last edited by Gork; 06 Oct 2014 at 04:34.
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  9. Joined : Oct 2014
    Posts : 1,309
    win 10 Insider
       06 Oct 2014 #39

    True, Gork, this 10 problem is not like the 8.1 one.
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  10. Joined : Oct 2014
    Posts : 25
    Win10-64 Pro
       06 Oct 2014 #40

    And thank goodness for that since, as has already been said, the cause you're reporting for Win10b at least seems easily staked out for a fix!
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