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  1. Posts : 1,777
    Windows 10 Pro
       #21

    Ex_Brit said:
    That's me and I think Microsoft must have been taken over by a bunch of air-headed geeks who have more money than feelings.
    What about the millions who can't afford a new computer? Is Microsoft compensating us, nah. I'm glad I quit the MVP group
    years ago., They really are a heartless bunch. Except for Shawn Brink who I know actually cares but diplomatically avoids this discussion.[/COLOR]
    Sorry but I have to disagree with you. My career included almost 40 years in software product management, so I think I know a thing or two about this issue.

    With every software product, one big issue is the profile of the target audience, and the kinds of systems they use. If you assume a relatively older "average" system, with limited CPU and RAM, you can be very limited in the features you can offer. If you assume that the average system is a recent model high-end machine, with very fast CPU and lots of RAM, you may introduce features that most customers can't use.

    So it's a balancing act. And since computer hardware is always advancing every year, even if the target customer audience doesn't change, their average system will get more powerful. This means that some people can't upgrade. With my old iPhone 7, Apple won't support iOS 16. My choice.

    When you buy an automobile, do you expect the manufacturer or dealer to give you a new car when the old one wears out? No one in their right mind would make this assumption. Same for appliances, TVs, phones, cameras, and clothes. So why should computers be different?

    I appreciate it that some people can't afford a new system, or don't want to purchase one, but I don't think they have the right to expect Microsoft (or any other software vendor) to hobble their new software to cater to these people.
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  2. Posts : 315
    Windows 10
       #22

    New hardware and tech does not mean we need a new OS. Windows 11 is just Windows 10 pushing Linux agenda in the front.
    The same Android features could be installed on Windows 10 without the amazon store at all, if you do not mind using the command-line / Powershell / Windows Terminal and figuring out how to make those installs. Then of course is the support for
    GUI applications in Linux, which could even be executed even before WSL 2 via other means.

    What is so great about Windows 11? Nothing. The marketing on television was literally a couple of black young adults ( teenagers ) on tv being thrilled about the operating system. Like the GCubeN marketing pamplets. People are just getting updates because they feel "newer is better".

    The reason why I update is because I want to use a certain program and it is unavailable. It is like the morons who are buying the M1, M2, M3 and actually believes it would make a difference, because they have not searched for solution or their class is requiring the usage of a certain program. It is like somebody at their job being forced to get something and not thinking anything about it, outside of doing something else.

    IDK why anybody is "freaking out" over lack of security updates, only thing I am ( or anybody ) would freak about it lack of
    content. The same reason why we are not using Amiga right now.

    The way I see things ( in terms of Windows ) are corporations and non-for-profits that have contracts with Microsoft to renew
    their products and purchase new hardware ( which comes with new software ). So they have to "Update" their hardware.

    Hospitals, Schools, City-Agencies, and small businesses that gets freebies.

    Everybody else. Employees, self-starters, That girl who did porn so she could afford her expensive setup and is in doubt of her career choices. That guy who worked odd jobs going into over-time doing all the tasks that nobody wants to do. That is the only person who is "paying" for all this stuff.

    It is like this guy who works in my college. He is still using Adobe CS4 for his work. Or when I went to a private business doctor and they are literally running Vista or Windows 7 to show my scans. It works they are making the same money and are pros ( get paid ) at what they do.

    I guess it is just easier to accept stupid and burn money and pretend everything is worth anything at all.
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  3. Posts : 1,777
    Windows 10 Pro
       #23

    Daymin said:
    New hardware and tech does not mean we need a new OS. Windows 11 is just Windows 10 pushing Linux agenda in the front.
    The same Android features could be installed on Windows 10 without the amazon store at all, if you do not mind using the command-line / Powershell / Windows Terminal and figuring out how to make those installs. Then of course is the support for
    GUI applications in Linux, which could even be executed even before WSL 2 via other means.

    What is so great about Windows 11? Nothing. The marketing on television was literally a couple of black young adults ( teenagers ) on tv being thrilled about the operating system. Like the GCubeN marketing pamplets. People are just getting updates because they feel "newer is better".

    The reason why I update is because I want to use a certain program and it is unavailable. It is like the morons who are buying the M1, M2, M3 and actually believes it would make a difference, because they have not searched for solution or their class is requiring the usage of a certain program. It is like somebody at their job being forced to get something and not thinking anything about it, outside of doing something else.

    IDK why anybody is "freaking out" over lack of security updates, only thing I am ( or anybody ) would freak about it lack of
    content. The same reason why we are not using Amiga right now.

    The way I see things ( in terms of Windows ) are corporations and non-for-profits that have contracts with Microsoft to renew
    their products and purchase new hardware ( which comes with new software ). So they have to "Update" their hardware.

    Hospitals, Schools, City-Agencies, and small businesses that gets freebies.

    Everybody else. Employees, self-starters, That girl who did porn so she could afford her expensive setup and is in doubt of her career choices. That guy who worked odd jobs going into over-time doing all the tasks that nobody wants to do. That is the only person who is "paying" for all this stuff.

    It is like this guy who works in my college. He is still using Adobe CS4 for his work. Or when I went to a private business doctor and they are literally running Vista or Windows 7 to show my scans. It works they are making the same money and are pros ( get paid ) at what they do.

    I guess it is just easier to accept stupid and burn money and pretend everything is worth anything at all.
    You are still missing my basic point, which is that as hardware gets more powerful, software vendors including Microsoft want to introduce features that take advantage of more powerful hardware. If one vendor does not, and their competitor does, how smart is that as a business decision?

    If someone wants to run Vista or Win 7 or Adobe CS 4, that this their prerogative. As long as they understand the limitations, and don't plan to upgrade their hardware, it's OK for them. (Never mind the security vulnerabilities on older Windows, or the limitations on CS 4 compared with a modern version of Photoshop or Illustrator. Of course, many people don't understand these issues.
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  4. Posts : 315
    Windows 10
       #24

    x509 said:
    You are still missing my basic point, which is that as hardware gets more powerful, software vendors including Microsoft want to introduce features that take advantage of more powerful hardware. [I]If one vendor does not, and their competitor does, how smart is that as a business decision?
    First lets understand the philosophy you are preaching.

    0. What limitations? Your a working-man ( or whatever ) and you use whatever "tool" to get the job done. Why should I have to rebuy the same Wrench over, and over again, or even go into subscriptions, when $#$@$$ already have the same tool? Yes the nwer tool is more or less a "Swiss Army Knife" with an array of features but honestly it does not really affect my workflow at all. Take Wacom series. A person using a Wacom Display from early 2000's literally can do the same exact work. In fact the later Wacoms dropped many of the brushes ( Electric pens ) that was used from then. Even if I purchase a 32" + incher display the
    PPi is actually not so hot. I mean "Yes It might have changed but otherwise no". The same person can do the same work.

    0A. We think limitations. Imagine if you could go inside a medical office, and get a dork downstairs, all that extra flab removed,
    and have your face look as kawaii like when you was at least sixteen and you are sixty-one. It is possible. Well think about the machines itself. You can take your Mechanical HD and get a SSD replacement. You can max out the RAM, the CPU, and even
    board, to display and keyboard + mouse. That is how it is with machines. I could be a user on XP right now 32-bit and ignore
    everything, while maxing out my computer, specs. Applying unofficial updates.

    I am not a corporation, I can not fail. The only way I fail if I work for somebody and they tell me "You have to upgrade to install"
    and I say "Well you need to provide me a labtop to use at home". But again maybe I am even going so low I am doing work
    against somebody who keeps up to date so now I am "forced" to update my stuff.

    All the same features ( anything you could think of ) could be utilized on these earlier OSes. Think about the Space-probe running Windows 9X right now, that recently received an update? Do we get an option to install that update? Speaking of
    which for that OS to be running in Space, must mean they had made some serious alterations to the OS. Maybe one day
    we could get a copy of that same Windows 9X ..................from space......

    1. Take "Windows XP". There is a 64-bit version, you can literally get away with running the same program for the Windows 7-10 outside of the fact that you would have to "recreate the wheel". However I am talking as if XP-64 was in our faces and had all the options to install these features. The same in "Windows 10" was done with running GPU ( Graphic applications ) in a Linux environment. Like the Linux desktop. This was done before Microsoft wants to force you to upgrade just to have this feature work. It is literally a run-around but it works non the less.

    1A. Back to "updates" even in politics people complained "How many Windows XP updates do we need?" Whoever said that using government time and money was correct. But guess what? Windows XP was free to update.

    2. Microsoft never actually tells you exactly what these updates do at all. They just include a bunch of $#$@#$ and call it updates.
    Take the move to get-rid of flash. They have hidden this within various updates outside of the one update that actually accomplishes this goal. Why not just make the one-update and give people the option to use it, whenever the user desires to.
    Take "forcing gamers to update there windows to 21H1 just to play a game with an engine from 2005" $#@$ when in reality
    21H1 has nothing really to offer. Even the creators of the game admit to this. Further I have been using my Labtop for work,
    via an external GPU for the longest. Guess what? Microsoft literally put an update that calls this action "illegal" and from time to time my windows would pop up informing me of this fact. Even the GPU vender ( Nvidia ) prevents me from using my GPU external via later drivers for the same GPU. That is insane. The truth ( as mentioned in another thread ) is that Microsoft / Nvidia wants you to put your GPU inside a computer case, and not cheat avoiding buying a Big-PC-desktop. The point being is that many of these updates, while giving you some advantages, actually are downgrades for features that we otherwise would take advantage of, and was better years ago

    3. Smart business decision? Just because everybody is jumping off the bridge, does that mean you should jump off the bridge?
    As of right now there are no real features to be used, unless your that nutjob who goes like "newer better, gimmie gimmie gimmie". This is not a fresh new wife, ( spouse or whatever ), with fresh new everything, clean interior, reloaded buns and extra shiney hub-caps, and lights that are so blinding despite there slow growing size, with that new hamster / baby scent knowing full well what it will grow into. Sure that "furniture" been pile driving night after night, with the honker only sounding worst and worst. Maybe we need a model that runs on Hydrogen which output water rather then a honky-tonky diesel, or loud mouth gasoline vehicle that has been driven how many times too many.

    This is an OS and these bastards, just wants to confuse people, because the whole entire world has become one-big warm heavy,
    it can fit into her purse, bathroom vending machine, throw away everything world.

    Windows 7 is literally Windows 10, only without all the bells and whistles. A programmer literally could scan through all these windows into 11, and create and update package that would upgrade 7 into 11 ( or even more ). I bet out there right now some
    body is doing this right now. But does not share this wondrous universe with us.

    limitations on CS 4 compared with a modern version of Photoshop or Illustrator. Of course, many people don't understand these issues.[/QUOTE]

    Story time.... I have 201X CC, 202X CC and both will not load under low memory. But my CS4 X64 can. Why is that? It is like
    photoshop is reserving a chunk of memory, when CS4 starts off without that chunk until you start to really use it. The only bonus of my later 201X is that when I accidentally turn my machine off while in use, it will continue from where I left off at. But under low memory....nope.

    That is a bonus for me. Oh look automatic saving with SSD, I wonder how fast will that function from a program/application from 200X in the year 202X.
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