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  1. Posts : 330
    Windows 10 Home 64 bit x64 Version 22H2
       #1

    Data file question


    Hi,

    I borrowed a Windows 10 Home pc. I power on the pc and I can immediately use it. On the pc I plug in my external hard disk that contains my data files (e.g. txt, docx, xlsx, mp3, mp4, png, jpg etc) and open/edit using software (e.g WPS, microsoft office/word/excel, notepad++, media player, photos etc)
    I save all my data files to my external hard disk.
    I also use the browser in the pc.

    Before I return the pc, what should I do to ensure that I do not leave my info/data on the pc? (I hope to revert it to the state that it was given to me)

    I am asking this because I might not be aware that some software/windows will auto save/backup of unsaved/any data inside c drive or anywhere in the pc.

    (for example, notepad++ do auto save a backup copy somewhere inside c drive. e.g. any way to recover my data saved in notepad++ in my previous window | Notepad++ Community Notepad++ Setting for Disabling Auto-open Previous Files - Stack Overflow caching - Notepad++ cached files location - Stack Overflow How does Notepad++ save the state of the workspace? - Stack Overflow )

    FYI
    "I see that once I open a new file and write something in it, even if I don't save it, that file will also open when I open notepad++ again." source How does Notepad++ save the state of the workspace? - Stack Overflow

    Thank you.
    Last edited by comcom; 08 Feb 2024 at 00:28.
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  2. Posts : 43,004
    Win 10 Pro (22H2) (2nd PC is 22H2)
       #2

    You could have created a 3rd party disk image of the PC as received, and then restored it to exactly as was- indeed I hope the owner protected themselves by creating one before passing it to you.

    Assuming you didn't (else you wouldn't be asking) you could, of course, search the entire Windows partition - assuming that's the only one in question- for all files created after the date you received the PC and review the result.

    That's assuming you've already used it. If you haven't yet, there are other approaches.

    One would be to create a virtual machine and work entirely within that, then delete it afterwards.
    Last edited by dalchina; 08 Feb 2024 at 02:14.
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  3. Posts : 2,144
    Windows 11 Pro (latest update ... forever anal)
       #3

    Boot into Linux distro and use that. Any data is only stored in the memory and lost when the device is shut down.

    Alternatively, create your own Win 10 drive and just swap out/over the drives when you use the device
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  4. Posts : 330
    Windows 10 Home 64 bit x64 Version 22H2
    Thread Starter
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    dalchina said:
    You could have created a 3rd party disk image of the PC as received, and then restored it to exactly as was- indeed I hope the owner protected themselves by creating one before passing it to you.

    Assuming you didn't (else you wouldn't be asking) you could, of course, search the entire Windows partition - assuming that's the only one in question- for all files created after the date you received the PC and review the result.

    That's assuming you've already used it. If you haven't yet, there are other approaches.

    One would be to create a virtual machine and work entirely within that, then delete it afterwards.
    I have used it.

    How do you search the entire Windows partition (there is only 1 parition in the PC, Windows is C:) - for all files created after the date I received the PC? Where to type and what to type?

    How to create a virtural machine and work entirely within that?

    Thanks

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    idgat said:
    Boot into Linux distro and use that. Any data is only stored in the memory and lost when the device is shut down.

    Alternatively, create your own Win 10 drive and just swap out/over the drives when you use the device
    I do not know anything about Linux, I googled and it seems like Linux is unable to use Microsoft office.

    How do you create your own Win 10 drive? I thought 1 PC can only install 1 Windows.
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  5. Posts : 43,004
    Win 10 Pro (22H2) (2nd PC is 22H2)
       #5

    And thank you for your reply.

    How do you search the entire Windows partition (there is only 1 parition in the PC, Windows is C:) - for all files created after the date I received the PC? Where to type and what to type?
    a.The fastest and easiest way is to use one of the free 3rd party search tools e.g. Everything by Voidtools.

    b. Else you can do it using file explorer search- but that's only quick and covers system files if indexing is configured for all files.
    So see (a) and learn to use the tool.

    How to create a virtural machine and work entirely within that?
    How do you do that?
    Install Virtualbox (free) and then create a virtual machine and install whatever version of Windows you wish within that.
    Thus you have Windows running and restarting within a Window.

    You will need to learn how to use the program- search for guides/youtube/read Help,

    How do you create your own Win 10 drive? I thought 1 PC can only install 1 Windows.
    As you use disk imaging you will be familiar with creating a boot disk from the imaging program.

    There are many kinds and flavours of boot disks,

    E.g.
    - one you use to install Windows
    - one created from a partition manager

    Here we are referring to a 'live boot' disk (Google \search that term.

    E.g. Hiren's, Bob Omb's - and member Kyhis has ahuge thread on creating your own.
    Download the iso, create a bootable disk from the iso file, boot it up into Windows (without using the internal system disk at all),
    These come with many utilities.

    You would then use data on e.g.an external USB disk, never writing to internal disks.
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  6. Posts : 295
    Windows 10 Pro
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    When you use a computer data WILL splatter all over hell and back. That's why just using a portable browser on someone else's PC is not a good idea. You'd want to disconnect the hard drive and boot something like a Linux live disk or Hiren's Boot CD and work from withen that environment.

    Now that the deed has been done you could try the following:

    You asked about dates of files when you last used the computer? Use the portable version of Everything.exe and click the Date Modified column. Now you can see what files were created since you got the PC. But be careful, you just can't delete everything willy-nilly. You need to know what you're doing.

    The other thing you could do is run System Ninja. That will help get rid of some stuff left behind.

    Then there's the registry to contend with. For that you're pretty much SOL unless you had made a full backup prior to you using the computer so that you could restore that backup.

    There's also the shadow copies. To delete those run command prompt as Admin and run the following command: vssadmin delete shadows /for=c: /all.

    Doing all this is fine and will help, but data is still there for the taking with file recovery software. Especially if it's a flash based HDD using wear-leveling. Consider the following from the Truecrypt encryption software manual on wear-leveling:

    Wear-Leveling


    Some storage devices (e.g., some solid-state drives, including USB flash drives) and some file
    systems utilize so-called wear-leveling mechanisms to extend the lifetime of the storage device or
    medium. These mechanisms ensure that even if an application repeatedly writes data to the same
    logical sector, the data is distributed evenly across the medium (logical sectors are remapped to
    different physical sectors). Therefore, multiple "versions" of a single sector may be available to an
    attacker. This may have various security implications. For instance, when you change a volume
    password/keyfile(s), the volume header is, under normal conditions, overwritten with a re-
    encrypted version of the header. However, when the volume resides on a device that utilizes a
    wear-leveling mechanism, TrueCrypt cannot ensure that the older header is really overwritten. If an
    adversary found the old volume header (which was to be overwritten) on the device, he could use it
    to mount the volume using an old compromised password (and/or using compromised keyfiles that
    were necessary to mount the volume before the volume header was re-encrypted). Due to security
    reasons, we recommend that TrueCrypt volumes are not created/stored on devices (or in file
    systems) that utilize a wear-leveling mechanism (and that TrueCrypt is not used to encrypt any
    portions of such devices or filesystems).
    Downloads - voidtools

    System Ninja - SingularLabs
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  7. Posts : 2,144
    Windows 11 Pro (latest update ... forever anal)
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    comcom said:
    I do not know anything about Linux, I googled and it seems like Linux is unable to use Microsoft office.

    How do you create your own Win 10 drive? I thought 1 PC can only install 1 Windows.
    Linux Mint contains the office suite called LibreOffice, which can read MS Office files Word doc(x) and Excel xls(x). Linux Mint also contains image and video software which uses all the standard formats used in Windows

    To create a Linux boot USB download Rufus and the Linux Mint ISO. Use Rufus to create the Linux boot USB from the ISO file. Run the boot USB in the existing computer ... do NOT install Linux, just run it from the USB and the computer's memory.

    Win 10 drive : Download the Media Creation Tool from Windows 10 and create a Win 10 installation boot USB. Remove the existing drive from the computer (keeps the old system intact) and insert the (new) blank drive. Install your copy of Win 10 on the new drive. When finished, swap the old drive back in.

    It's learning time. To get the protection you want you're going to have to do somethings for yourself
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  8. Posts : 14,022
    Win10 Pro and Home, Win11 Pro and Home, Win7, Linux Mint
       #8

    comcom said:
    I do not know anything about Linux, I googled and it seems like Linux is unable to use Microsoft office.
    +1 for LibreOffice, only thing it doesn't have is an included E-Mail Client comparable to Outlook but it does include Thunderbird and now there's a new Client for Linux called Evolution, so far looks good. LibreOffice can open a number of file formats, more than OpenOffice. I've put it on my computers and several of my clients' after OEMs quit including Microsoft Works in their new machines. Just like Linux, free is good.
    LibreOffice Calc, Writer, Impress: Supported File Formats
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  9. Posts : 6,853
    22H2 64 Bit Pro
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    It's obvious that if you're concerned about privacy then you should have made a system image backup when you received the PC and could have restored that leaving no trace of your activities.

    Probably the easiest way to get rid of most of your concerns is to run PrivaZer but not unless you understand how to configure it and use it.

    There's an old guide here but it does cover the basics.

    PrivaZer PC cleaner - Windows 7 Forums
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  10. Posts : 330
    Windows 10 Home 64 bit x64 Version 22H2
    Thread Starter
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    F22 Simpilot said:
    When you use a computer data WILL splatter all over hell and back. That's why just using a portable browser on someone else's PC is not a good idea. You'd want to disconnect the hard drive and boot something like a Linux live disk or Hiren's Boot CD and work from withen that environment.

    Now that the deed has been done you could try the following:

    You asked about dates of files when you last used the computer? Use the portable version of Everything.exe and click the Date Modified column. Now you can see what files were created since you got the PC. But be careful, you just can't delete everything willy-nilly. You need to know what you're doing.

    The other thing you could do is run System Ninja. That will help get rid of some stuff left behind.

    Then there's the registry to contend with. For that you're pretty much SOL unless you had made a full backup prior to you using the computer so that you could restore that backup.

    There's also the shadow copies. To delete those run command prompt as Admin and run the following command: vssadmin delete shadows /for=c: /all.

    Doing all this is fine and will help, but data is still there for the taking with file recovery software. Especially if it's a flash based HDD using wear-leveling. Consider the following from the Truecrypt encryption software manual on wear-leveling:



    Downloads - voidtools

    System Ninja - SingularLabs
    Please teach me how to run vssadmin delete shadows /for=c: /all ?
    In Windows 10 I right click start button>click Run>paste vssadmin delete shadows /for=c: /all into the box>click OK, then I see something like a rectangle flashed 1 second on the screen and disappeared, not sure if I have done correctly?
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