MSE was supposed to end definition updates for windows 7 last year. So it got like 13 or so years of updates past win 7 EOL.
Windows 10 Defender is stated to end definition updates in 2025 with the OS. Whether or not this to goes over time who knows, with the various other examples we have seen in the past and services going overtime.
Windows 7 continued to get definitions updates as normal throughout the 3 year Windows 7 Extended Security Updates (ESU) program. While you had to purchase ESU to get the updates for the OS, the definition updates were free for everyone. Windows 10 is to get its own paid-for ESU starting in October 2025, I'd expect the definitions updates to continue for free, as they did for W7.
One thing that does concern me about used computers that will upgrade to Windows 11 (ie 8th generation onwards isn't it?) is that some manufacturers are not providing up to date drivers for Windows 11 - and only provide drivers for Windows 10. For example, HP Support Assistant doesn't work on Windows 11 - because it can only find/install drivers if you have Windows 10 installed. They really should be making drivers for Windows 11 on machines that are eligible for upgrade. The last graphics driver HP has for my current laptop is 4 years ago.
When there isn't an up to date driver, Windows sometimes finds one and installs it - which could lead to issues perhaps. As I was having problems with videos crashing, I installed the newer graphics driver from Intel (suggested elsewhere) and that did the trick. But it's unfair on the general user, who knows nothing about drivers and they just let the computer upgrade to Windows 11.
So HP is a culprit there. I don't know about other manufacturers? But I remember when Windows 10 came in, manufacturers (or some) gave you options for Windows 7 drivers or Windows 10 drivers. My laptop is 10th generation - about three and a half years old - HP really should make Windows 11 drivers.
I am not sure where you got your information but Drivers are available for HP laptops in Windows 11
Hp Support Assistant works with Windows 11 if you install HP Support Solutions Framework https://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Notebo...e/td-p/8277207
Thanks for the link - I've never been able to get Support Solutions Framework to work - maybe they've updated it now. The latest link for the "Support Assistant" programme online is still version 9 which doesn't work with Windows 11.
My particular laptop - 10th generation, which came with Windows 10 - there are no up to date drivers for Windows 11 - whether using support solutions or not. While most Windows 10 drivers work in Windows 11, as time goes on, there will need to be updated drivers - particularly graphics drivers.
More and more people, including retirees and seniors who have a need for a PC are switching to an Apple Mac PC. Microsoft Surface/Tablet is geared for a specific niche: business professionals. Switching to a Linux based system is not for those who appreciate simplicity.
HP is notorious for software that does not work, i have some HP computers but i never use any HP software because they are always problematic.
An HP printer yeah good luck with that the software is always intermittent or does not work without hours of troubleshooting if at all.
Apple is worse its locked in and they design their computers so that when they fault its not a cheap fix other than to replace it entirely with a new model. Apple is not future proof in its ways they like to design their products so that they are hard to repair.
Hopefully that is the case for people who will stick to 10 for a while but this is also the first time that i am aware of that the in house AV solution is sun setting at the same time as the OS like the actual application is stated for EOL.
Windows 7 EOL in 2015 or there abouts with MSE last major release in 2016 so a year after. While definitions where up to 2020 with the subscription so 5 year plan but they extended that to 2023 for what ever reason.
There is info online that says they were supposed to stop definitions last year. The only thing i can think of is that MSE and defender use the same engine.
For XP extended support ended in 2014 and definitions are stated to have stopped then.
Either way its 4 to 5 years of support but 7 went over by 3 year more years, idk there is no chance i am paying and have never paid for extended support. I won't be on Windows by then i don't think.
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There is some confusion online about MSE updates. While it is true that since the end of Win7's ESU MSE will now report an error when checking for updates, in actual fact the error occurs after it has downloaded and installed the latest definitions. Windows Update for Win7 still gets the latest MSRT too.
Yes, MSE and Windows Security share the same scan engine and definitions. MSE has been getting the scan engine updates as well as the definition updates. They only differ in their Antimalware Client version, but they would, as that is just the user interface.
There's nothing special about 2025. Or 2026.
I run Windows 10, version 1809. I don't need anything newer. Not Windows 11. Nor the eventual Windows 12.
I'll run the same old Win 10 until this computer dies. Then I'll buy a new one, and I'll use whatever OS it runs.
I've never changed the OS on a computer. I just run them until they die.
@Malneb
While there is truth to what you said. What do you do when surveillance is so ingrained into everything? Either you live in a cabin in the woods. Or you become so boring and uninteresting online and in speech that you are not important or noticed. We already know what not to say. There are much more important things that can be said, truth, that is not said and if it were no one would believe even if you told them. So Ill avoid the gov criticism. And just focus on things they dont even believe. Things that are most important. Can see my About: Biography
profile for that.
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