What do you plan on doing when 2025 comes around?

Lol you sound so cynical you can do what ever you want, yes there is already software discontinuing support for windows 10 when 2025 comes along.
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When it comes to Windows I AM so cynical for sure.
Love/Hate relationship for sure.

I've been supporting Winblows for 32 years so I want to move over to Linsucks FT but it cannot play 3 games on it so...I am STUCK with Winblows for those 3 games.

I currently have Winblows and Linsucks on a dual boot and when one of them pisses me off I boot into the other.

I am back and forth like a yo-yo some days

Maybe before I die they'll insert a wireless chip in my head for satellite internet access wherever I am in the world and give me an AI brain insert I can communicate with for the tuff problems - I'll tell the AI to inject happy, happy thoughts and images in my brain and do an over lay on the real world and live in blissful ignorance until I die.

Malneb said:

Malware and hacking in many cases is not agnostic so as long as you are on a NT based system then its still a concern when its X years out of date. Its why 20 something years later that edge case malware from 2000 is some of the most advanced to date and is still an issue today.

There is quite a bit of polymorphing malware from early 2000 that is an issue on windows 10 still. But regardless even more so on a system that is 10 or more years without official updates but over 20 years old.

We can go around in circles really but like i said you can do what ever you want.

The WinXP system in question is not used to access the public internet. No browser. No email. 0patch is the only software running on it that accesses the internet for patch updates.
It is probably less malware prone than any of your up to date Win11 systems that are used for public browsing.
And yes thank you I will do whatever I want.
I'm old enough.
I've earned it.

Malneb said:

Tbh you came in here with a tone from the beginning trying to validate yourself but with a slight tone about it.

The thread was made for people to express their views on how they are going to move forward but that does not mean i appreciate someone trying to undermine me and it was in response to something that i said to somebody else.

0patch does not make sense if the computer is not going online, its also not great as all patches run in memory, imo its not really a great solution for various reasons.

The thread was also not intended to be a pissing contest to the point that we are trying to argue what is best and what isn't

we can be cordial in here and conduct in a constructive manner. its fine to offer your view point but we are starting to try and argue over each other.

And yes i agree with you there is a scalping part to all this because its pushing billions of dollars to the conglomerate as a whole all parties from software vendors to IT to Entertainment to online services and many areas are going to see a massive boost incentive to make money from all this.

Well you should go reread your initial post for this thread then.
I was not doing anything other than expounding on why I have no plans to go to Win 11 and what my alternative strategy is.
Bye I'm outta here.

AK6DN said:

So how is it that it is so easy to install Windows 11 via bypassing TPM 2.0?
Windows 11 certainly runs just fine without TPM available.
I know of no end user applications that require TPM. Can you name any?

Windows 10, Windows 11, Windows 12, Windows 13, ... is just a ponzi scheme by Microsoft to keep the dollars flowing in IMHO.

I have perfectly serviceable hardware that runs Windows 7 and Windows 10 just fine. Very well in fact.
Not ditching it for no reason other than TPM 2.0 and a new(er) CPU to run Windows 11. Or 12. Or 13.
So I'll be running Windows 10 until the cows come home. And if I have to, switch to desktop Linux as my primary as an alternative.
Already ditched all Microsoft apps (Office ...) for the LibreOffice versions.
Firefox browser, Thunderbird email, all run fine on Linux.
I can't think of one Microsoft App that I use at this point.

I work in IT at a school. We have been having to update TPM 1.2 to TPM 2.0 on a few computers just to activate MS 365 otherwise we get an error after entering the credentials to activate.

I know Microsoft might be watching my message so instead of this thesis I wrote. I will write this.

You could just not activate and turn off the explorer

There problem solved.

Hazel123 said:

Cheaterslick. I usually get them on eBay - being careful to only buy from private sellers with a good reputation. Never had an issue yet. Bree has always suggested Cash Converters - they usually have quite a selection too. Recently bought a 10th generation HP Pavilion 14 core i7 and some nvidia graohics for £360. It only has 8gb ram but I know that model has upgradeable ram so I’ll be putting 16gb in. It’s maybe not the most exciting of laptops but suits me for everything needed - including some light video editing. There are plenty of core i5 8gb 10th gen HP pavilions second hand. The thing with those models though is they came with a 500gb Optane drive - which is a huge pain - I take those out and replace with a standard M2 drive and clean install. So it could mean having to buy an M2 drive as well. But there are plenty without Optane drives.

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I think £360 for a three to four year old computer (that has has very little use) isn’t bad. On the other hand for £600 you can get a new core i5 hp pavilion 14. I just didn’t want to spend that and had a spare M2 from a dead laptop.

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Don’t think the new ones have upgradeable ram though.

Yeah, I'm in the US so prices will be somewhat different.

And you still can get removable ram on some machines, but you have to do research. Or pay more for more soldered ram before you buy.