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There is only three options:
- Continue using Win 10. Nothing bad will happen. It will run as it does today.
- Install another OS on current computer.
- Buy a new computer with Win 11 and M$ will guarantee you will be safe, unless you screw it.
The reason I had to move from Win7 to Win10 was the issue that at that time TurboTax moved to Win10 and later ONLY, and did not release the new version for Win7.
They cited unspecified 'security concerns' with Win7.
So yeah Win10 might continue working, and be usable, until one of your required third party software vendors says 'Nope, Win11 or Win12 or later ONLY from now on'.
PS: My opinion was that Microsoft worked a backroom deal to get Intuit to discontinue TurboTax for Windows 7 and earlier to push updates to Windows 10.
Pure speculation I know, but based on the Windows 11 TPM2.0 and CPU fiasco I am now more convinced than ever this happened.
Last edited by AK6DN; 29 Jan 2024 at 14:33.
There is already several applications i use that are ending support for windows 10 in 2025.
Nothing bad will happen? EOL means that the OS becomes highly vulnerable the more it ages because nothing gets patched. it means that hackers and pen testers will find vulnerabilities and as the OS ages the more suseptiple it becomes to attacks.
it means after time you are making a poor decision to use that OS. I would not stay on it for more than 6 months to a year at best and keep a close eye on the news to see if there is anything about new vulnerabilities found. Unless you want to pay for the sub model.
Overall you are going to be using something that is vulnerable and when apps start exodusing too they will still work but they to are vulnerable because they are no longer receiving updates but offered as is.
-remember there will be the option to pay MS for updates...Nothing bad will happen? EOL means that the OS becomes highly vulnerable the more it ages because nothing gets patched.
And updates don't protect you from everything... and assuming Defender gets no updates- use a 3rd party AV.
Well I guess I better get off my old WinXP box then, too, eh? And just trash the old software and hardware that works there. Or maybe just not use it on the public network? (FYI I don't).
As to applications ending support for Windows 10 in 2025 I'll believe it when I see it. Windows 10 marketshare is way to high for any mainstream software vendor to blow it off.
I use 0patch for my XP, WIn7, and even Win10 boxes. They patch what Microsoft doesn't.
I fully expect to be on Win10 for at least another 4 or 5 years.
Last edited by AK6DN; 29 Jan 2024 at 15:12.
Won't go to Windows 11
Might go to Windows 12 - this remains to be seen
Might go full blown Linux - depends on what games I am playing and whether they function good in Linux
After retirement at 70 ( I am 61) I'll go Linux FT and drop MS
I have been waiting to drop MS for years
Lol you sound so cynical you can do what ever you want, yes there is already software discontinuing support for windows 10 when 2025 comes along.
XP source code was leaked a few years back.
0patch is also not a end all be all solution we are talking about closed source operating system so unless they really have the man power then its still a cat mouse game.
Steam, Firefox are two that come to mind various other apps are doing the same in 2025 most in the last quarter so at the end of the year.
Last edited by Malneb; 29 Jan 2024 at 16:13.
its not just Defender though the whole OS is subject to being vulnerable. I have lifetime Malwarebytes but that is irrelevant if a bad actor finds a way into my network and can bypass in a way that is undetected due to the fact that they found several areas in the OS that are compromised.
As soon as 10 goes EOL there will be people looking to exploit the OS in some cases.
just look at this list of applications that are basically entry points to do malicious things in XP
List of Metasploit Windows Exploits (Detailed Spreadsheet) - InfosecMatter
The OS is long since EOL and the support from many applications has ended it means that everything you do on that OS is subject to being a problem.
People get to sit down and reverse engineer the OS and there is potentially many exploits that have fly under the radar unnoticed.
Like I said, I don't do browsing or email or any public internet access from my WinXP system. It is used to run legacy h/w and s/w only.
Lately even on my up to date systems I run FireFox sandboxed (via SandBoxie) so it is basically running in a throwaway virtual machine.
I prescreen my emails thru gmail web access, and only download thru Thunderbird those that pass the smell test.
One might also argue that running a WinXP platform is security thru obscurity. There are not enough of them out there to make crafting malware for them profitable.