Changing the boot order

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  1. Posts : 4,663
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       #41

    are you saying we can change those descriptions to make them easily distinguishable and identifiable?
    yes.

    the easiest way is to change the bootmgr description in the bcd you are currently using

    at admin cmd prompt type:
    bcdedit -set {bootmgr} description "whatever description you want"
    (with the quote marks, then press enter)
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       #42

    Pentagon said:
    @kitpzyxmsir
    post #35
    "According to current BCDEditALL.txt, should have been
    bcdedit /displayorder {c317a689-b95e-11ee-bb05-d050998538f1} {c317a68b-b95e-11ee-bb05-d050998538f1} {c317a68d-b95e-11ee-bb05-d050998538f1}

    Successful!"
    =========================================================
    YES, you made it and now run a backup of your EFI-Partition!
    Macrium's interaction with the boot situation was one of the focal points of my conversation. Among other things, what you helped me accomplish makes my utilization of Macrium even more convenient. Any significant OS alteration is met with an immediate backup. That's just how I roll

    Pentagon said:
    It's better to learn some cmd-commands and learn to understand Windows, than to use worthless tools. Some people use 3 programs for their daily work and have 100 tools installed to manage simple Windows things.
    It may be an urban legend, but do you know what one of Teddy Roosevelt's last requests was when lying in his deathbed? A book! Unquenchable curiousiity.

    I don't know if I would call certain tools that get the job done and make like easier "worthless", but you're certainly better off in the long run by understanding how and why they work. That's why I'm such a pain in the neck trying to extract precise info. It's about the evolution of personal problem solving. I seek self-sufficiency, so I can stop having to be that nuisance, to others and myself.

    Now that I'm done bloviating, can we discuss how we came up with those differing identifiers I listed in our previous discussion? I haven't yet tried to go into that Macrium recovery environment, but when I do, and if it still ends up reversing all the changes we made, I'm gonna need to reinstate them. It'll be a minor annoyance, as long as I can get it done easily and right.

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    SIW2 said:
    yes.

    the easiest way is to change the bootmgr description in the bcd you are currently using

    at admin cmd prompt type:
    bcdedit -set {bootmgr} description "whatever description you want"
    (with the quote marks, then press enter)
    There are five entries in the bios boot list. How do you tailor the command for each individual item in that list?
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  3. Posts : 4,663
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       #43

    If you have an operating system installed on each of the three disks:

    Simplest is to boot into one disk using the one time boot menu.. Then use the command above.

    Boot into the second disk using the one time boot menu . Then use the command posted above.

    Boot into the third disk using the one time boot menu. Then use the command posted.

    The advanced way is to load the remote bcd store but I havent got the energy to explain how to do that.
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       #44

    SIW2 said:
    If you have an operating system installed on each of the three disks:

    Simplest is to boot into one disk using the one time boot menu.. Then use the command above.

    Boot into the second disk using the one time boot menu . Then use the command posted above.

    Boot into the third disk using the one time boot menu. Then use the command posted.

    The advanced way is to load the remote bcd store but I havent got the energy to explain how to do that.
    ok, so basically, just boot up into any of the three drives, run the command with the name you have chosen for that drive, and that's it? After which, the name of the given disk will be reflected in the bios boot manager list?
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  5. Posts : 4,663
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       #45

    Your bios might retain the previous description unless you delete it from the bcd firmware settings and then it should pick up new description on startup.

    Using diskgenius free version is more straightforward

    Changing the boot order-dg-set-uefi1.jpg

    Changing the boot order-dgboot-entry-name.jpg
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  6. Posts : 983
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       #46

    SIW2 said:
    Your bios might retain the previous description unless you delete it from the bcd firmware settings and then it should pick up new description on startup.

    Using diskgenius free version is more straightforward

    Changing the boot order-dg-set-uefi1.jpg

    Changing the boot order-dgboot-entry-name.jpg
    Sound good. Can you tell me what image editor you use?
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  7. Posts : 15,532
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       #47

    SIW2 said:
    You have three boot managers - that is what is causing you all the problems.

    You get a boot manager for each EFI on drives. Each EFI when selected will have differents bcds.

    What you need to do is get to a single Windows boot manager with entries for each OS in a single EFI.

    You can delete all but one of the boot manager entries, then you can add boot entries to the single boot manager later and then it is easy to sort and rename entries.

    People are giving all sorts of (often erroneous) advice - no wonder you are confused.

    I am afraid this thread is a serious case of "too many cooks spoiling the broth".
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       #48

    cereberus said:
    You have three boot managers - that is what is causing you all the problems.

    You get a boot manager for each EFI on drives. Each EFI when selected will have differents bcds.

    What you need to do is get to a single Windows boot manager with entries for each OS in a single EFI.

    You can delete all but one of the boot manager entries, then you can add boot entries to the single boot manager later and then it is easy to sort and rename entries.

    People are giving all sorts of (often erroneous) advice - no wonder you are confused.

    I am afraid this thread is a serious case of "too many cooks spoiling the broth".
    Well, as you can imagine, my head is spinning, just a little, but I think I'm beginning to understand a bit about the fact that I shouldn't have 3 boot managers, because they are not only unnecessary, but there may be detrimental effects.

    For example, is there a correlation between having 3 boot managers instead of one, that is responsible for the fact that my previously reported activity being conducted in the Macrium recovery environment results in reverting everything back to the state it was in before the name changes boot order changes were made? Maybe this was suggested before?

    How do I get this done?
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       #49

    kitpzyxmsir said:
    Well, as you can imagine, my head is spinning, just a little, but I think I'm beginning to understand a bit about the fact that I shouldn't have 3 boot managers, because they are not only unnecessary, but there may be detrimental effects.

    For example, is there a correlation between having 3 boot managers instead of one, that is responsible for the fact that my previously reported activity being conducted in the Macrium recovery environment results in reverting everything back to the state it was in before the name changes boot order changes were made? Maybe this was suggested before?

    How do I get this done?
    Think of a boot manager as a power generator which is wired to power each drive, and you have three push button which can start any of the three drives.

    You could have a second or even 3rd generator each wired in parallel to the three drives. Why you you do that? Well if one generator fails, you could use another.
    However it is much more complicated to manage.

    So starting over, simplify things - only have one boot manager which can select which OS to run via the bootmanager menu. The other boot managers are not needed other than providing redundancy if a drive fails.

    However multiple windows boot managers are confusing.

    So I will try and help you sort this mess if you follow my steps AND do not get side tracked by other users.

    I cannot do anymore now as nearly 2 am.

    What would be a good start is to post an image from disk management and tell us what order you want to boot the drives and what you want to call each drive.

    I suggest you do not do anything else until I am back tomorrow evening.
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  10. Posts : 4,663
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       #50

    I have already pointed out more than once on this thread you have a boot manager on each disk. This is taking you a long time because you dont read the posts.

    There is nothing wrong with having a boot manager on each disk. It is what I have.

    Because in your screenshot your bios boot options selection doesnt show many characters it might help you to change the descriptions.

    It is not necessary in my bios because the names of the disks are displayed. However, I changed the boot manager descriptions anyway because why not
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