Language bar reappears every so often by itself.

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  1. Posts : 281
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       #1

    Language bar reappears every so often by itself.


    Warning this is a tough one guys.

    So recently (I dont know how recent, maybe 2-3 weeks), my language bar suddenly appears by itself in the taskbar, the actual underlying setting doesnt seem to change, because to fix it I toggle the setting twice (once to show it, which does nothing as already showing, then again to hide then it goes hidden again).

    This however only works temporary.

    The setting itself isnt intuitive in how its configured.

    Advanced keyboard settings accessible from typing options.

    Tickbox option for "use the desktop language bar when its available" when this is unticked it always shows, hence my comment about it not being intuitive. It is ticked.

    then click the language bar options below it and a control panel window appears with settings for the language bar, "floating on desktop" or "docked in the taskbar" or "hidden" are the options, mine is set to hidden.

    When it appears again, these configured options dont change, it just shows against the configured options, probably a windows bug. But maybe someone here knows "the" solution. It wont be something like sfc or dism.

    Note "docked in the taskbar" shows it small to the left of the system tray, when it appears it appears large to the left of the clock (right of the system tray icons). The same as unticking the "use the desktop language bar when its available" in the advanced keyboard settings.

    Guessing this is same issue.

    Input indicator icon keeps REAPPEARING

    Original response was wrong, as they assumed it was misconfigured.

    This one seemed hopeful.

    Turn Language Bar OFF (hide it)

    Then this screen.

    Turn Language Bar OFF (hide it)

    Confirms I do indeed have USA keyboard installed as well.

    However no delete option.

    I then installed all the components of the UK region, speech etc. I was then able to remove the USA language itself from the installation. When this was done the icon removed itself. (it reappeared before this as I was checking round the settings).

    Now when I untick "use the desktop language bar when its available" no longer shows the icon, so I think this quick search on the forum may have resolved the issue, but I welcome any replies, and it probably isnt a problem for en_us users.

    If I go 2 weeks with it staying off, I will mark as resolved.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Sadly its came back

    ENG to right of system tray, USA keyboard resurfaced.

    My observation is when clicking remove for the USA language, it will make the icon vanish, however it doesnt fully remove the language and it will resurface either by simply entering the language setting screen or a reboot.
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  2. Posts : 16,970
    Windows 10 Home x64 Version 22H2 Build 19045.4170
       #2

    Chrysalis said:
    Tickbox option for "use the desktop language bar when its available" when this is unticked it always shows, hence my comment about it not being intuitive. It is ticked.
    You need to leave that checkbox clear [and to set the Hidden item as you have described].
    Since Windows is not following the rules, I suggest that your first port of call should be SFC.
    SFC-DISM - TenForumsTutorials
    Use Option 3 including, if there are irreparable errors, going online to run the DISM command explained at the end of Option 3.


    Best of luck,
    Denis
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  3. Posts : 281
    Win 10 21H2 LTSC
    Thread Starter
       #3

    As I said SFC, DISM isnt the answer. (they were already ran before I posted, thought would be suggested). :) I can also repeat the behaviour on a clean install in a VM further cementing it isnt corrupted or wrongly patched files.

    However I think I have a solution, it seems I can do an upgrade(repair) install from en-us to en-gb image (thought this wasnt possible but seems it is) and that will just leave the en-gb language only in place. :)
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  4. Posts : 16,970
    Windows 10 Home x64 Version 22H2 Build 19045.4170
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    I had not realised that your reference to SFC meant that you had already tried it.

    I assume you have also read
    Turn On or Off Language Bar and Input Indicator - TenForumsTutorials

    I have also had computers that used US English despite buying them here.
    - I only found out when I investigated why I didn't have automatic spellchecking in this forum. I wrongly assumed that I must have corrupted it by running a Repair install with a US ISO.
    - I do recall that the language bar used to be a pain several Windows 10 Versions ago. Your experience makes me wonder if the language bar was only sorted out after I'd messed around removing US English rather than a particular Version having resolved it.
    - My notes from the time reflect my confusion and I never really understood how I'd got rid of US English. I'll check them again and add anything useful I find.

    If you are going to manipulate things then you might try this before & after.
    See Default System Language - TenForumsTutorials

    I avoided all the pain in my latest computer by backing up the drivers then reinstalling Windows using an InstallUSB made from a British English ISO.
    - Reinstallation of Windows & applications followed by setting everything up is such a pain in the neck that I didn't bite the bullet and do it for my existing computers.


    Best of luck,
    Denis
    Last edited by Try3; 22 Jun 2023 at 23:00.
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  5. Posts : 16,970
    Windows 10 Home x64 Version 22H2 Build 19045.4170
       #5

    I used Control panel, Region, Admin, Copy settings as part of my solution but I cannot find any note of a logical procedure that I followed.

    I kept this diagram of my mixed language state - Language bar reappears every so often by itself.-20200812-045832-mixed-posted.png

    And this one after I had achieved an all en-gb state - Language bar reappears every so often by itself.-20200812-050102-en-gb-only-posted.png


    The only comment I found from the time was that forum spell-checking started working after, "I played around setting & unsetting items in Settings, Devices, Typing and it just happened; the settings are what they always were".
    I can also see that I saved a printout of this tutorial the day before and it refers to those diagrams
    Change System UI Language - TenForumsTutorials


    Denis
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  6. Posts : 1,203
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       #6

    1. Copy-paste this in a file Remove_en-US.xml :
    Code:
    <gs:GlobalizationServices xmlns:gs="urn:longhornGlobalizationUnattend">
        <!--User List-->
        <gs:UserList>
            <gs:User UserID="Current"/>
        </gs:UserList>
        <!--input preferences-->
        <gs:InputPreferences>
            <!--add en-US keyboard input-->
            <gs:InputLanguageID Action="add" ID="0409:00000409"/>
            <!--remove en-US keyboard input-->
            <gs:InputLanguageID Action="remove" ID="0409:00000409"/>
        </gs:InputPreferences>
    </gs:GlobalizationServices>
    2. Copy-paste this in a batchfile in the same folder:
    Code:
    control intl.cpl,, /f:"%CD%\Remove_en-US.xml"
    3. Run the batchfile.
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  7. Posts : 281
    Win 10 21H2 LTSC
    Thread Starter
       #7

    Thanks hdmi will try it after I make a new backup, Try3 also I am sorry if my OP wasnt so clear what I meant about SFC and DISM, I can see was worded a little weird.

    I am about to (within 1-2 weeks) to upgrade windows to en-gb native, but I am curious how your solution will work so will reply soon. :)

    I think its been triggered a lot now because of me using remote desktop to en-us machines, as before I was doing that it wasnt been triggered.
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  8. Posts : 16,970
    Windows 10 Home x64 Version 22H2 Build 19045.4170
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    Chrysalis said:
    I am about to (within 1-2 weeks) to upgrade windows to en-gb native
    I had definitely done Repair installs / In-place upgrades using en-gb ISO files / USBs before the [very confused] steps I reported before so I don't think your solution will be that simple.
    I hope that Change System UI Language - TenForumsTutorials will resolve matters for you.


    Best of luck,
    Denis
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  9. Posts : 281
    Win 10 21H2 LTSC
    Thread Starter
       #9

    I had a quick look, those steps have already been done. I think the only way this stops is the en-us keyboard is removed of the system. I will try hdmi's steps when I get time, as still working on my ISO.

    But I have already done 5 upgrade runs on a VM from en-us to en-gb and they have been fine, because the base language is en-gb it allows to fully remove en-us from the system. No ill effects, windows update works fine, system remains fully functional, all settings and programs survive.
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  10. Posts : 281
    Win 10 21H2 LTSC
    Thread Starter
       #10

    Try3 said:
    I had definitely done Repair installs / In-place upgrades using en-gb ISO files / USBs before the [very confused] steps I reported before so I don't think your solution will be that simple.
    I hope that Change System UI Language - TenForumsTutorials will resolve matters for you.


    Best of luck,
    Denis
    Laptop is updated now, and was even easier than what I had typed before, after the en-gb install, I didnt even need to remove the old en-us language, it was removed automatically.

    Just that windows will force a reinstall of CU if language change is carried out, I did that and all is well.

    Not expecting issues on main PC, but before I do PC I plan to try out hdmi's solution in a VM to confirm if is a working solution on a en-us install without needing to do a upgrade/repair install to en-gb.
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