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    win 10 64 bit os x64 based processor now with 20h2 update
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    win11 capability


    so how can you tell if you get a pc that already has win 11 on it if it it really ready for win 11? i see lots of pcs now that have win 11 on them, so how can you tell if it is the real win11 or one of those copies that you can put on a machine that tells you it is not ready for win11 and may not get all the securities needed like win10 has now?
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    Windows 10/11
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    Download and install the PC Health Check app. It includes a compatibility check.

    So far, non-compliant machines do get all updates.
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    10 Home x64 (22H2) (10 Pro on 2nd pc)
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    corvairbob said:
    so how can you tell if you get a pc that already has win 11 on it if it it really ready for win 11? i see lots of pcs now that have win 11 on them, so how can you tell if it is the real win11 or one of those copies that you can put on a machine that tells you it is not ready for win11 and may not get all the securities needed like win10 has now?
    No, they are not 'one of those copies that you can put on a machine that tells you it is not ready for win11'. The only checks Win11 makes for a supported device are made when attempting an install or upgrade. There are known workarounds to bypass these checks and install the 'real thing' on almost anything, no matter how inappropriate.

    If you can get your hands on the PC to check it, then running WhyNotWin11 will tell you whether it is a supported device, and if not then why not.

    GitHub - rcmaehl/WhyNotWin11: Detection Script to help identify why your PC is not Windows 11 Release Ready. Now Supporting Update Checks!

    If you can't test it yourself, then you need to look carefully at the detailed specs of the PC.

    The main requirements for Windows 11 are that the PC has a UEFI bios (and hence capable of Secure Boot), the CPU is an Intel 8th generation processor or later (or the equivalent from AMD) and that it has TPM 2.0. Supported Intel or AMD processors are generally capable of providing a firmware implementation of TPM 2.0 that satisfies Windows 11 requirements, that's AMD's fTPM or Intel's PTT (Platform Trust Technology).

    Windows 11 supported Intel processors | Microsoft Docs
    Windows 11 supported AMD processors | Microsoft Docs
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  4. Posts : 622
    win 10 64 bit os x64 based processor now with 20h2 update
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    i have that app but will that work if the pc has win11 on it already and the pc is really not ready for win11? this pc has win10 but i see lots of ebay pcs that have win11 on them so will that app tell me if those pcs are still ready for win11?
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    Windows 10/11
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    corvairbob said:
    i have that app but will that work if the pc has win11 on it already and the pc is really not ready for win11? this pc has win10 but i see lots of ebay pcs that have win11 on them so will that app tell me if those pcs are still ready for win11?
    No. I was under the impression that you already have a computer with Windows 11 installed and wanted to check if it is fully compliant. PC Health Check will do that.

    You will need to ask the seller to run PC Health Check and confirm that it's compliant (seeing a screenshot would be best). If they claim it's compliant and it turns out not to be, Ebay will ensure you get refunded.

    I'm not aware of any tool where you can enter make and model to determine Windows 11 readiness. Such a tool wouldn't help with custom built PCs.
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    win 10 64 bit os x64 based processor now with 20h2 update
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    Bree said:
    No, they are not 'one of those copies that you can put on a machine that tells you it is not ready for win11'. The only checks Win11 makes for a supported device are made when attempting an install or upgrade. There are known workarounds to bypass these checks and install the 'real thing' on almost anything, no matter how inappropriate.

    If you can get your hands on the PC to check it, then running WhyNotWin11 will tell you whether it is a supported device, and if not then why not.

    GitHub - rcmaehl/WhyNotWin11: Detection Script to help identify why your PC is not Windows 11 Release Ready. Now Supporting Update Checks!

    If you can't test it yourself, then you need to look carefully at the detailed specs of the PC.

    The main requirements for Windows 11 are that the PC has a UEFI bios (and hence capable of Secure Boot), the CPU is an Intel 8th generation processor or later (or the equivalent from AMD) and that it has TPM 2.0. Supported Intel or AMD processors are generally capable of providing a firmware implementation of TPM 2.0 that satisfies Windows 11 requirements, that's AMD's fTPM or Intel's PTT (Platform Trust Technology).

    Windows 11 supported Intel processors | Microsoft Docs
    Windows 11 supported AMD processors | Microsoft Docs
    ok this is what i thought. i think my best bet would be to just wait for a few years and let all these just go away. and maybe windows will come out with a work around. did i hear talk of win12 now that has those workarounds or is that just so much rumors? thanks
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    10 Home x64 (22H2) (10 Pro on 2nd pc)
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    corvairbob said:
    i have that app but will that work if the pc has win11 on it already and the pc is really not ready for win11? this pc has win10 but i see lots of ebay pcs that have win11 on them so will that app tell me if those pcs are still ready for win11?
    Yes.

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  8. Posts : 622
    win 10 64 bit os x64 based processor now with 20h2 update
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    so are you telling me if i get an ebay pc that has win11 on it. and the run this app on that pc and that pc is really not win11 ready that the app will say that pc is not win11 ready even though it has win 11 on it?

    so then i will still have a pc that will not get all the security protection because it really is not win11 ready?
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  9. Posts : 32,276
    10 Home x64 (22H2) (10 Pro on 2nd pc)
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    corvairbob said:
    ok this is what i thought. i think my best bet would be to just wait for a few years and let all these just go away. and maybe windows will come out with a work around. did i hear talk of win12 now that has those workarounds or is that just so much rumors? thanks
    The minimum requirements will not go away, MS are not going to drop them. If/when Win12 comes out it will almost certainly have the same minimum requirements, maybe even add a few of its own.

    While MS strongly recommend you do not install W11 on unsupported devices, they do not block the known workarounds. They have even provided a few of them themselves.

    Microsoft said:
    Warning:
    • Microsoft recommends against installing Windows 11 on a device that does not meet the Windows 11 minimum system requirements. If you choose to install Windows 11 on a device that does not meet these requirements, and you acknowledge and understand the risks, you can create the following registry key values and bypass the check for TPM 2.0 (at least TPM 1.2 is required) and the CPU family and model.
    https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...b-2ce77ac7c70e
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  10. Posts : 622
    win 10 64 bit os x64 based processor now with 20h2 update
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    thanks i do not want to install win11 on a noncompliant machine because i do not want to take the security risks. that is why i asked the question. i was just wondering if i had a pc that had win11 on it already and that pc was not win11 compliant if the app would still tell me that pc was still not compliant? thanks
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