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  1. Joined : Dec 2013
    Sydney, Nova Scotia, Canada
    Posts : 8,226
    Windows 10 IoT
       01 Sep 2015 #101

    I'm logging off for now, will have another look see tomorrow.
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  2.    01 Sep 2015 #102

    Marron said: View Post
    Yeah. I stopped the builds on my laptop and the expiration date didn't go to infinity. So I activated them again.
    If you join the insider program and upgrade from 10240 you will get an expiry. If you leave it and stay on 10240 you will be permanently activated.

    You want to look at slmgr /dlv not slmgr /xpr as xpr will not tell you the expiry. 10525 and 10532 both expire July 15 2016. I don't know what happens if you go back from 10525 to 10240 if it becomes permanent again - I've not tried.
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  3. Joined : Aug 2015
    Posts : 76
    Windows 10 Pro
       01 Sep 2015 #103

    Marron said: View Post
    To be honest, the impression that it gave me is that users post just to increase post count, which is BAD on a forum. Marron
    I ponder that as well. Newer forum, posters think they won't be respected unless they have a high count.
    & I just increased my post count by one, bad forum etiquette
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  4. Joined : Oct 2014
    New Jersey
    Posts : 679
    Windows 7 Pro x64 Windows 10 Pro x64
       01 Sep 2015 #104

    My insider program machine running 10532 is permanently activated.

    Are you guys talking about a machine that was upgraded from 7 or 8 etc to 10 buiild 10240, then you joined the insider program and upgraded to the a newer build and now it has an expiration date ?

    Why would someone do that ?
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  5. Joined : Aug 2015
    I'm in the ghetto
    Posts : 705
    Windows 10 Pro x64
       01 Sep 2015 #105

    @AddRAM

    Nope. It was a Win10 technical preview converted to full Win10 and is now a 'preinstalled' license tied to the lifetime of the device
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  6. Joined : Oct 2014
    New Jersey
    Posts : 679
    Windows 7 Pro x64 Windows 10 Pro x64
       01 Sep 2015 #106

    WhyMe said: View Post
    @AddRAM

    Nope. It was a Win10 technical preview converted to full Win10 and is now a 'preinstalled' license tied to the lifetime of the device
    That`s exactly what I did on my Gateway tester machine, and it`s up to build 10532 and permanently activated, which is how it should be.
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  7. Joined : Mar 2014
    Cape Breton Nova Scotia ,Canada
    Posts : 2,917
    insider build 10586.3 win10 pro 64
       01 Sep 2015 #107

    halasz said: View Post
    If you join the insider program and upgrade from 10240 you will get an expiry. If you leave it and stay on 10240 you will be permanently activated.

    You want to look at slmgr /dlv not slmgr /xpr as xpr will not tell you the expiry. 10525 and 10532 both expire July 15 2016. I don't know what happens if you go back from 10525 to 10240 if it becomes permanent again - I've not tried.
    the dlv tells me it will expire 2016 ,the xpr tells me its permanently activated ,Im using 10532 pro
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  8. Joined : Jul 2015
    Posts : 6,887
    Windows 10 Pro
       01 Sep 2015 #108

    Marron said: View Post
    @alphanumeric
    I do have a retail key, but I have no idea how to use it. It's the key that came with my laptop. When I installed Windows 10 (Technical Preview) on my laptop I wiped it's SSD so I don't use it any more, but it's still written near my laptop's battery.
    That isn't a retail key. That is an OEM key which can only be used to install the OEM version of the operating system it is for.

    caperjack said: View Post
    the dlv tells me it will expire 2016 ,the xpr tells me its permanently activated ,Im using 10532 pro
    Interesting. Mine says exactly the same thing. Also, winver says Evaluation copy, Expires 7/15/2016 4:59PM.

    Hmm.... I'm tempted on doing some time travel with my system date to see what happens.

    OK. I'm back from the future. Changed bios to 2017. Tried to start into 10532 and it immediately went to startup repair and said that files in the operating system were expired and gave me options to reinstall from an install media, F8 for startup options (which didn't seem to work), and F9 to boot into another OS which took me back to my dual boot screen.

    Changed bios back to 2015, and here I am back on 10532 with no issues. So, it seems like activation and evaluation expiration are two different things. Now, to go to my 10240 build and see what winver and /dlv say about expiration.

    Back again on 10240. WINVER and /dlv say absolutely nothing about expiration dates. Very interesting info caperjack, thanks for pointing this out! Hmmmm.....now I wonder if I go to like the day before 10532 is supposed to expire, what would happen if I did slmgr /rearm?
    Last edited by NavyLCDR; 01 Sep 2015 at 20:21.
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  9. Joined : Jun 2015
    Posts : 44
    win10 insider
       02 Sep 2015 #109

    Marron said: View Post
    I doubt there are people that aren't happy with a free upgrade to Windows 10. And if they are, Microsoft provided ways to revert the upgrade.
    Just remember there is a one month time limit from the date of install to revert to the old OS retaining al your programs and so on.

    After that you will need to do a format and reinstall the old OS from whatever media you have AND have the original licence.
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  10. Joined : Jun 2015
    Posts : 44
    win10 insider
       02 Sep 2015 #110

    I said I'd not post again but came across a very clear explanation that should answer all the doubts. It is at Microsoft quietly rewrites its activation rules for Windows 10 | ZDNet

    Here are few extracts but you need to read the whole thing really.

    Microsoft dramatically changed the rules of product activation with Windows 10. Most people will no longer have to deal with product keys; the activation status for a device is stored in the cloud, making activation automatic even after a clean install. In the long term, this is going to be a huge usability success, although it's going to confound anyone who doesn't understand that Microsoft's one-year, free Windows upgrade offer requires that you actually, you know, upgrade.
    Windows product keys are almost (but not quite) a thing of the past.
    With Windows 10, Microsoft has rewritten the rules for how it performs product activation on retail upgrades of Windows, including the free upgrades available for a year beginning on July 29, 2015. The net result is that clean installs will be much easier--but only after you get past the first one
    OEM activation hasn't changed, nor have the procedures for activating volume license copies. But the massive Get Windows 10 upgrade push means that for the near future at least those retail upgrade scenarios are very important.


    The biggest change of all is that the Windows 10 activation status for a device is stored online. After you successfully activate Windows 10 for the first time, that device will activate automatically in the future, with no product key required.
    Just note that retail and OEM are DIFFERENT. Tech preview users may also be in a different scenario. Hope this clarifies things (ha!).
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