possible to improve windows 10 memory leaks?

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  1. Posts : 69
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    I have tried but its still hard to say, because it seems the task manager's memory data seems to only show physical memory, not virtual. I'd thought the "Disk" column should be showing that, but I do not believe it based on my "forensics". That is, set a "trap" for the killer by changing the available swapfile size and noting the difference after a reboot. Only browser activity. (somewhere around active and continually referenced tabs or more in firefox) and a "windows managed" swapfile size (barely 2 gb) and the system will start choking within days. at 16 gb (manually set swapfile) I can usually go at least a week or more. And another clue, shutting down the browser even for a full hour once symptoms start does not result in improved stability, only in the problem not getting worse. If there is a utility that would help me keep better track of what is really going on in the swap file (process allocations and ownership), that might help me better prove the culprit. But what would be better is a cleanup utility, so that I could shut down the browser and then force release any and all memory still allocated/owned by the offending process (like a real garbage collection). Very surprised windows doesn't seem to have that after all these years.

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    pepanee said:
    I have an app called: CleanMem Pro 2.4.3
    I also heard that the "Page Faults" (in Task Manager), are related to how the computer starts / becomes more unstable over time / becomes slower. So, over time, it's pretty much a requirement to restart the computer, for it to stay reliable in the tasks that it does. I am not 100% sure about the stuff I typed in this paragraph; don't rely on this info. This is just info that I got off the internet a long time ago.

    But the app I mentioned earlier works really well.
    App sounds like something worth a try! To your comment, I don't see any column that shows page faults in the task manager. Maybe I'm looking in the wrong place?
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       #12

    I was a CleanMem Pro fan but MemReduct is far easier to configure and does the same job. Firemin would work just for browsers.

    As for task manager - right click a column heading and choose columns. Not sure how displaying page faults helps.

    possible to improve windows 10 memory leaks?-task-manager.jpg
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    Callender said:
    As for task manager - right click a column heading and choose columns. Not sure how displaying page faults helps.
    Hmmm... looks like that option must have been added in a newer version of win-10. All I have is the below...possible to improve windows 10 memory leaks?-taskmgropts.jpg
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       #14

    It should be available on details tab then right click any column name and select columns or hide columns. I did highlight details tab in the screenshot. I think that you are looking at processes tab instead so you won't see the option.
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    Callender said:
    It should be available on details tab then right click any column name and select columns or hide columns. I did highlight details tab in the screenshot. I think that you are looking at processes tab instead so you won't see the option.
    Ah OK ... found it. Well my continuously used firefox browser, seems to have a separate instance for each open tab in the details display, and it certainly has more page faults than anything else! I'll have to try at least shutting down the whole browser when not in use at all, like overnight (the machine is always on).

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    pepanee said:
    I have an app called: CleanMem Pro 2.4.3

    There are certain projects that I do on the computer that take up a LOT of computer memory, and once I'm done, I use this app to clear up memory that the computer "remembers". This helps release unused memory, so my computer can become quick again, without a computer restart.
    I've installed it. Too early to tell how well it will work, but just so I understand (It didn't come with many instructions), but every so often just right click on the monitor, and do the "Clean Memory Now" and "Clean File Cache now" ?
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       #16

    FYI: Here's a post from when I was using CleanMem Pro.

    I Have a Memory Leak. - Page 2 - Windows 7 Forums

    I don't have it installed currently.

    However MemReduct is a lot easier to set up. See image of settings:

    [Question] Clearing Standby memory when free memory reaches some level
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    PeterPan2000 said:
    I've installed it. Too early to tell how well it will work, but just so I understand (It didn't come with many instructions), but every so often just right click on the monitor, and do the "Clean Memory Now" and "Clean File Cache now" ?
    Yes those two. It's difficult to tell, but you can see the changes in Task Manager
    In my Task Manager I have "Memory (private..."+ Memory (shared..." = which equals Total Memory "(Working set..." for each app.
    I just did a clean memory now:

    possible to improve windows 10 memory leaks?-image.png

    A bunch turned to zeros, and a bunch of numbers dropped. You can see the difference in the Performance -> Memory location:

    possible to improve windows 10 memory leaks?-image.png

    It's usually 6.5. Now it's 4.0. Do be aware that this number will increase over time, as your computer will load necessary memory to the apps that it released memory from. But it will be lower than what it was initially at. Until you load new programs, and do tasks in programs. The number will increase, naturally.
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  8. Posts : 69
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    pepanee said:
    Yes those two. It's difficult to tell, but you can see the changes in Task Manager
    In my Task Manager I have "Memory (private..."+ Memory (shared..." = which equals Total Memory "(Working set..." for each app.
    I just did a clean memory now:

    possible to improve windows 10 memory leaks?-image.png

    A bunch turned to zeros, and a bunch of numbers dropped. You can see the difference in the Performance -> Memory location:

    possible to improve windows 10 memory leaks?-image.png

    It's usually 6.5. Now it's 4.0. Do be aware that this number will increase over time, as your computer will load necessary memory to the apps that it released memory from. But it will be lower than what it was initially at. Until you load new programs, and do tasks in programs. The number will increase, naturally.
    Thanks! Yes I can see the difference! Now let me see if using this utility regularly can keep my system from choking in less than a couple of weeks. Also, on the advise of many, I think I'm going to invest in upgrading my actual ram from 8 to 32 gig. I can't imagine it will cost very much these days!
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  9. Posts : 2,987
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    PeterPan2000 said:
    Thanks! Yes I can see the difference! Now let me see if using this utility regularly can keep my system from choking in less than a couple of weeks. Also, on the advise of many, I think I'm going to invest in upgrading my actual ram from 8 to 32 gig. I can't imagine it will cost very much these days!
    You're welcome. That's the cool thing about utilities like that; you can see the changed difference in Task Manager. But you say you want to make the 8 to 32 investment. I think that's a really good idea. You should notice that your computer gets faster, and you can have many different things open pretty much all the time. I have 24 gb, and it's pretty good! I'm sure 32 is much better. Once you upgrade to Windows 11, and use more complicated future apps, they should run smoothly.
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  10. Posts : 69
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    pepanee said:
    Once you upgrade to Windows 11, and use more complicated future apps, they should run smoothly.
    I know you've likely heard this kind of things before, and I'm sure its been discussed infinity in other groups, but I'll say it anyway and am open to your thoughts. In 2020, I got an old Dell T5400 with dual 4-core intel CPUs and 8 gig of Ram, pre-loaded with windows 10. It is set up alongside an even older DEll optiplex 380, running the last version of Windows XP, with only 2 gig of Ram. That old win-xp machine still runs fine. It also contains untold years of applications, some very complex (like my music composition and mastering tools, an complete Visual studio coding setup, and tons of engineering utilities). But I got the win-10 machine for one reason... unsupported apps that I need. My browsers were obviously no longer supported, and my 2020 tax software would no longer be supplied for XP. So I was forced to make the jump to win-10.

    As Microsoft obviously provided no help at all migrating software, I spent probably the next month doing so. Re-installing all the programs and moving all my files over only took a week. The rest of the month was spent reconfiguration and meticulously exporting and re-importing settings from all my important programs with active projects. And, totally hating the so called "new and improved" user interface to win-10, I even employed the "Classic Start Menu", which BTW probably won't continue to work with future upgrades. Many in-active but still useful things remain on the XP machine.

    Well all that to say, the comparatively "powerhouse" win 10 machine, with its 8 cores, certainly does complex tasks much faster, and was worth the invested time. But as for stability? the Win-XP OS was, hands down, a much more stable OS. My XP machine would typically run 1/2 a year before being in likely need of a re-boot. And what happened to the declaration that win-10 would be the "last" MS OS? Win-10 has been a PITA that I've lived with, but I've lost faith in both the promise that the next OS will be miraculously better, nor that an upgrade attempt to win-11 will even work. It will likely tie up the machine for a full 24 hours at least, and the attempt will likely end in either failure to upgrade, or (at the very least) failure to keep all my existing apps working as they were.

    So all that to say, for the few things that eventually will once again require me to upgrade, maybe I'll buy a cheap win-11 laptop or get another machine to run linux. My taxes at this point in life are so simple I'm sure I can just do them by hand or online. But windows 11? I'll bet by the time I'm once again forced to upgrade, MS will be touting windows-15 as the "end all be all" OS that solves everything.

    All that said, hey I may just try a win-11 upgrade on one of my win-10 backup clones when I have a weekend to waste LOL! But tell me again how and why you think win-11 (if my system DOES accept an upgrade) will be worth my invested month. I'm willing to listen, just extremely skeptical.
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