I used to think of myself as a Windows hotshot (for a non-IT professional), but I am in awe of all the truly smart people in this forum.
I learn so much just reading posts in general, and I get a real benefit from threads where I am the OP.
No issues in this thread, just appreciation.
And since I plan to hang on to Windows 10 for a long time, I will continue to be a regular here.
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Unfortunately, you will only be able to hold onto Windows 10 until October 14th, 2025 when at such time, official support will end for it.
Now here comes the part where Microsoft finally figured out how to corner a lot of people running old hardware into having to buy new computers. The computer must meet the TPM (Trusted Platform Module) specification in order to run Windows 11, which of course will be the most up to date security-wise, as Windows 10 after it is unsupported, would not be a good idea to keep running for such aforementioned reason.
My hardware has currently outlasted three operating systems and unfortunately, my Narra 5 motherboard does not have a TPM slot, so I will have to ditch the motherboard for something else; but it is not a productive route because it would cost me more to build my current computer up to specs than it would be to buy a new desktop because of compatibility issues such as my soundboard being as old as the computer along with the power supply unit and everything else except the new SSD.
I am however as gracious as you are about the appreciation and respect that I too have come to admire about all the brilliant folks on here and commend you for bringing it up.
Well, sort of. There will just be no official updates to it from Microsoft. It will still work just fine on your existing hardware.
I have a WinXP system in my lab that still runs just fine, and a Win7 laptop that does so too.
And my main desktop that is a fine Win10 platform that will never move to Win11.
All three systems have 0patch paid installed for really critical patches.
So Windows 11? Meh.
That's not quite correct.
You can install Windows 11 despite lack of TPM. I'm doing so and others are as well.
- See, for example, Upgrading with the Windows 11 RTM ISO on a well-below spec computer [my post #266] - ElevenForum I've also jobbed mine to allow me to keep using [Windows XP - Windows 10] Taskbar Toolbars - My Taskbar setup [post #6] - ElevenForum
All the best,
Denis
@AK6DN
I had never heard of 0patch.
Are the patches replacements for security updates? I looked into it a bit, but it seemed like a really technical savvy approach that required a vast knowledge of deciding which patches to apply based on system setup.
@Try3
I will look into your referenced links; but again, it really seems like a lot of technical interpretation and years of understanding how and what can be done with specific systems in relation to installing Windows 11.
I initially thought it could only be done by running a virtual environment, so I suppose I still remain ignorant to what can actually be done with older hardware.
Your ElevenForum #266 post had really interesting links as well.
Also, I had thought that if I could not update my BIOS, I was pretty much screwed; but then again, I am running Windows 10 Home with a BIOS that was last updated in 2009 I think.
I just checked, it was definitely 2009 that the BIOS was last updated.
Do you think I could still install Windows 11 on this lost cause of a computer?
Last edited by EyeInTheSky; 12 Apr 2022 at 11:13.
Yes, they are virtually all security updates. Mainly for (now) unsupported MicroSoft OSes (WinXP,Vista,Win7) but also include some critical patches for Win10 that MicroSoft has not yet patched or has said they will never patch. If MicroSoft happens to release an update that fixes the issue 0patch detects this and their patch is not applied.
There are both free and paid versions of 0patch, I use the paid version.
All the patching is done automatically via 0patch, I don't have to do anything (like selecting which patches to apply). You can choose to disable selected patches if you wish thru their control panel.
My nickname (Megahertz) was given to me by my friends as I was "The computer guy".
I joined TenForums and SevenForums with the intention of sharing my experience and teach others.
I did teach many users but, as Bree, I've learned so much more than I have teach.
My father used to say:
- There is no PhD that can't learn something and there is no homeless that can't teach something to a PhD.
You can always learn something. I've learned more after I retired than when I was a student.
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