Trust and Deprecating Hardware and Software

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  1. Posts : 14,022
    Win10 Pro and Home, Win11 Pro and Home, Win7, Linux Mint
       #11

    dw85745 said:
    Berton:

    It's NOT as simple as one would think. Can't just grab the HLP file, press button and get CHM. Lot of work involved.
    Right, which is why I mentioned converters.
    convert hlp to chm at DuckDuckGo

    As for "real DOS" I still have a Laptop/Notebook with MS-DOS 6 and Windows 3.1, works fine but needs a CMOS battery.
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  2. Posts : 1,746
    Windows 10 Pro x64 22H2
       #12

    If you run certain software for 40+ years, then my friend you don't need anyone or anything to tell you whether this software is trusted or not.

    If you're running old hardware this doesn't undermine software that you use, you only need to build a check list to help you with trusted programs, ex:

    1. Set group policy to restrict running only digitally signed software, in the following location:
    Computer Configuration\Windows Settings\Security Settings\Local Policies\Security Options
    User Account Control: Only elevate executable files that are signed and validated (Enabled)

    2. Configure system to install only software that is recommended by MS, as follows:
    - Sign into Administrator account
    - Systtings -> Apps ->
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  3. Posts : 164
    Win 10 Pro 64b 22H2
       #13

    steve108 said:
    They still support Windows 8.1 or higher for 2021 Tax Year ......... they can't support EOL OSs indefinitely and support current OSs due to testing expenses and security - makes sense to me.

    Minimum system requirements for TurboTax Windows software
    Windows 8.1, Windows 10, same to me. Not Windows 7.

    I still get updates to LOTS of other applications that run just fine on Win 7 and Win 10.
    There is nothing special about TurboTax. Just an application that reads a file, takes user input, writes a file.
    Basically just a fancy version of Excel IMHO.
    I really should dump TurboTax and find another vendor.
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  4. Posts : 372
    Windows 10 Home: 21H1 (OS Build 19043.1586)
       #14

    dw85745 said:
    ... Went to Win=11 Forum. Saw GHacks had an upgrade to Office 21 at a very reasonable price. So may upgrade at that price. HOWEVER, never dealt with digital software so a bit confused.. Obviously one does NOT get any disks. QUESTIONS I have are:
    1) Is the file automatically installed or am I getting msi file which can be saved?
    2) If my MOBO gives out, and the msi file is saved to disk, will it work so I can reload the software?
    3) If a new MOBO, is that considered one PC, or is one PC only the current system and OS (ie. if I need to upgrade to Win-11, will the software work? ... I did plan to stay until I saw the cheap offer for Office-21 UNLESS there are all these caveats. (see questions above).
    Hi @dw85745

    I can confirm the GHacks offer for MS Office 2021 Pro Plus is entirely genuine and a brilliant purchase that I have just made with no issues in any respect. Most of these offers are dodgy, but this one isn't. GHacks have an outstanding reputation. Make sure that you only buy from Ghacks if you decide to go ahead. I can only vouch for them, none of the many others, which I would never have purchased from.

    I can also confirm that it will work perfectly on Windows 11 if you choose to upgrade your system to that.

    What you get from GHacks is actually just a Key for a one machine only lifetime Licence ratified seamlessly by Microsoft themselves. Ghacks provide full very precise instructions with the Key which are a doddle to follow. The download itself is from the Microsoft site. Ghacks give you a special link which starts the very simple process. You need a Microsoft Account as the the software is added to it permanently. Once you've entered the Key that GHacks provides, the install process begins. Microsoft installs it for you. The option to re-install should you ever need to is constantly available after that.

    I am delighted with my purchase and it is terrific to use, right up-to-date. Incidentally, updates are part of the package, so no worries there. For me, it replaces my Office 365 subscription. I love it.

    I learned about this offer in this thread here only a couple of days ago: Scam or Real (Office 2021) Worth a read. It is as real as it gets and an incredible deal which I highly recommend.

    Hope that helps.

    Christophe
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  5. Posts : 142
    10.0.19045, build 19045
    Thread Starter
       #15

    Thanks ALL for responding.

    Berton Thanks, I'll check out the Duck site. Last time I checked to convert I had to do a lot of coding.

    zebal: Having old software and my trust in that software has nothing to do with the problem. The problem is MS$, through the OS will NOT allow Macro's or HLP files to function in old software. There is NO workaround. My understanding newer software (e.g. Office) has a menu option called TRUST, that allows one to run Macros (maybe in a sandbox or however MS$ decided to accomplish that execution). Will check out your Group Policy in the HOPES that will resolve the issuel

    AK6DN: You posted in the wrong thread.

    DMArbes: Good to know thanks. BIG QUESTION I have is LIFETIME of WHAT! In other words, if my MOBO goes south, and I need to reinstall software (assume msi file), is this part of the licensing OR is it just current PC as configured?
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  6. Posts : 372
    Windows 10 Home: 21H1 (OS Build 19043.1586)
       #16

    dw85745 said:
    DMArbes: Good to know thanks. BIG QUESTION I have is LIFETIME of WHAT! In other words, if my MOBO goes south, and I need to reinstall software (assume msi file), is this part of the licensing OR is it just current PC as configured?
    It is Lifetime for one machine only at any one time. As long as you stick to that there's no issue. The Licence is lodged with Microsoft permanently once you have entered the Key online. Just make sure you uninstall from the original machine before repeating the process using the same link provided to Microsoft for the original registration. So, enter the Key again when prompted and they will install as usual. It is Microsoft who installs it, not yourself.

    Caveat: I have not personally tested it, but I am led to believe this is how it works. Microsoft will not penalise you for needing a new machine. The difficulty arises when downloading software yourself from Microsoft then trying to enter a Key bought from some dodgy vendor. That uses an entirely different system and method that this arrangement, which Microsoft fully controls so they trust it beginning with you using their own special method designed specifically for trusted Keys, like the one for sale here, verifying, then installing for you. Vendors offering this scheme are very few and far between. I don't know of any other allowed to do this, though they may exist somewhere yet to be identified. Again, the other more common vendors that you see littered everywhere use a completely different scheme and method.

    If in any doubt, either check directly with Microsoft or perhaps Ghacks, too, or simply leave it. It's more than a just a wild punt though, IMHO. I only ever buy legit software and was diligent in satisfying myself in this respect. Ultimately, it's your call, and not an expensive one at the price, all things considered. This particular opportunity is as rare as hen's teeth.

    Hope that helps.

    Christophe
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  7. Posts : 406
    Windows 10 21H1
       #17

    In my experience (and frankly I never cared for help files, so I don't know anything about those) building a new machine and installing "old" software on it has never presented a problem. At the same time, I don't think I ever kept a single version of a software for 40 years, i do try to update software versions as they come along.

    Now, what can help the OP is the following. A distinction between "digital" software and "physical" media is misleading. All software IS digital. A physical disk is just a medium on which said program is stored, no better or worse than say a USB drive. In fact, I stopped building optical drives into my desktops decades ago, so for me a disk would be completely useless. I think the two things the OP wants to distinguish are the full and online installers. A full installer can be stored on a disk or a drive and run as a program without any internet connection. An online installer is a much smaller file that will first download the data from the internet and only then install your software. Most vendors provide both versions, although Microsoft Office is moving towards online-only installers, at least my version of Office 2019 is online only (with online activation, without any keys, the so-called Click-to-Run model). It's probably possible to get Office in a different way, but since I am getting it from the University I work for almost for free, I can't complain.

    Any program for which you have an installer and a license key can be installed on your new machine (regardless of whether your old one got fried or you just decided to get a new one). Yes, there can be a hassle with making sure your previous copy is uninstalled, but most vendors don't really check for that (although Microsoft tends to do it).

    Tax software tends to last a year since tax laws and regulations change constantly. I can't say anything about TurboTax, but if you insist on Windows 7 you might be limited to searching for a vendor that still supports it. Unfortunately, as the OS goes out of mainstream use, developers tend to abandon it. If that were not the case, I would still run Win2K, the best Windows ever made. But, since there are no drivers for it for new hardware and new software does not support it either, I'm sort of forced to migrate to more up-to-date version of the OS (I honestly don't care about any updates, even though now they are forced on me). I ran Windows 7 last on a laptop bought some 5-7 years ago. At the time, Acer did not support Windows 7 on that model, but collecting drivers from other models, I managed to put together a working system. No such luck for machines built or bought last year - Windows 10 only. I am still using my old Windows 7 license keys though, so at least I don't have to pay for the new OS. In the future it will be Windows 11 and so on. That is the way.
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