Page 1 of 4 123 ... LastLast

  1. Joined : Jan 2015
    Posts : 69
    Dual boot W7 & W8.1
       25 Aug 2015 #1

    Watch this video Pt.1 and 2 before installing Windows 10




    Last edited by Brink; 25 Aug 2015 at 11:46. Reason: embedded videos
      My System SpecsSystem Spec


  2. Joined : Oct 2013
    A Finnish ex-pat in Germany
    Posts : 9,575
    Windows 10 Pro
       25 Aug 2015 #2



    This is a new low from the Tinfoil Hat Brigade

    If a user really believes this BS and thinks that the stuff you say in for instance a business meeting is automatically picked up by your laptop's microphone and sent to Microsoft, then my advice is to change the shrink because the current one has clearly not given you correct treatment and medicine. A new shrink might be able to fix that and get your paranoia if not totally cured but at least get it under control.

    You are right of course, people should listen this utterly nonsense paranoid monologue, I think that might help reasonable users to realize how far sick people are willing to go to convince others that "they are after us, on us, listening us, spying us!".

    You can be absolutely sure that Microsoft is not listening your business meetings or your conversations with your spouse or anyone else.

    Really, a new low has been reached.

    Kari
      My System SpecsSystem Spec


  3. Joined : Sep 2014
    Posts : 92
    64-bit 10240 10 Pro
       25 Aug 2015 #3

    But she is a Doctor of what who knows.
      My System SpecsSystem Spec


  4. Joined : Oct 2013
    A Finnish ex-pat in Germany
    Posts : 9,575
    Windows 10 Pro
       25 Aug 2015 #4

    Gary said: View Post
    But she is a Doctor of what who knows.
    Really? That, her Doctor of Education title makes her credible? You don't know and have never heard about any "doctors" being paranoid?
      My System SpecsSystem Spec


  5. Joined : May 2015
    Posts : 38
    windows 7
       25 Aug 2015 #5

    your gov is spying on you everyday so whats the difference.
      My System SpecsSystem Spec


  6. Joined : May 2015
    Posts : 38
    windows 7
       25 Aug 2015 #6

    Kari said: View Post


    This is a new low from the Tinfoil Hat Brigade

    If a user really believes this BS and thinks that the stuff you say in for instance a business meeting is automatically picked up by your laptop's microphone and sent to Microsoft, then my advice is to change the shrink because the current one has clearly not given you correct treatment and medicine. A new shrink might be able to fix that and get your paranoia if not totally cured but at least get it under control.

    You are right of course, people should listen this utterly nonsense paranoid monologue, I think that might help reasonable users to realize how far sick people are willing to go to convince others that "they are after us, on us, listening us, spying us!".

    You can be absolutely sure that Microsoft is not listening your business meetings or your conversations with your spouse or anyone else.

    Really, a new low has been reached.

    Kari
    i think ur a bit in the dark this is actully how the gov ect..gets peoples shit,i belive this 100% my only question is again whats the difference in the usa the gov does what they want anyhow so there already spying you,this is just another way for them to get info by making microsoft give up the info,so again **** em anyhow as long as ur not part of a isis group im sure you will be ok.
      My System SpecsSystem Spec


  7. Joined : Oct 2013
    A Finnish ex-pat in Germany
    Posts : 9,575
    Windows 10 Pro
       25 Aug 2015 #7

    musky said: View Post
    i think ur a bit in the dark this is actully how the gov ect..gets peoples shit,i belive this 100% my only question is again whats the difference in the usa the gov does what they want anyhow so there already spying you,this is just another way for them to get info by making microsoft give up the info,so again **** em anyhow as long as ur not part of a isis group im sure you will be ok.
      My System SpecsSystem Spec


  8. Joined : Oct 2014
    Posts : 839
    Windows 8.1, Win10Pro
       25 Aug 2015 #8

    Once again, every time someone makes the claim that MS is spying on us, instead of challenging what they say with evidence to the contrary, folks seek the new "low" of character assassination -- calling them "tinfoil hat brigade" or "paranoid" or other such slurs.

    Let's examine the first claim -- that everything said during a business meeting is sent to Microsoft. First of all, for Cortana to hear you say "Hey, Cortana", the microphone must be on and Cortana must be listening. So, presuming the mike is on and Cortana is listening, is the audio received sent to Microsoft. Well, YES -- it is! The Microsoft Privacy Statement says in Personal Data We Collect, "Microsoft collects data ...", "You provide some of this data directly ...speak a voice command to Cortana..."

    Now, one could argue that voice data collection only starts AFTER you say "Hey, Cortana" -- and that may be true. But the MS document does not say that. You could also argue that voice data collection is being done all the time the mic is on -- and this is what folks like this commentator are saying. And, this may be true. In fact, WE DO NOT KNOW which of these is the case. Some folks are being cautious -- that does not make them "tinfoil hat brigade" or "paranoid".

    As to other data collection, again in the same MS document, they say that they do not use "what you say in email, chat, video calls or voice mail, or your documents, photos, or other personal files to target ads to you. [bold added for emphasis] Notice, they do not say they do not collect this data; instead, they only say they do not target ads to you. Again, some folks could interpret this clause as an admission that MS collects this data.

    And finally, the "keylogging" debate -- which centers entirely around two things (1) definition of keylogging, and (2) purpose for collecting keystrokes. MS defenders define keylogging to exclude the keystroke capturing that MS is doing -- convenient! And, the same folks claim MS is not doing this for bad purposes. In fact, keylogging is capturing keystrokes -- and MS is doing that. As to the purpose, that is irrelevant -- another convenient excuse for defending what MS is doing.

    And finally, the claim that "everyone is doing it" (i.e., spying on us) does not make it OK for MS to do it -- it only makes it a popular thing to do.
      My System SpecsSystem Spec


  9. Joined : Jun 2015
    Posts : 260
    Windows 7 (SP1)
       25 Aug 2015 #9

    Kari said: View Post


    This is a new low from the Tinfoil Hat Brigade

    If a user really believes this BS and thinks that the stuff you say in for instance a business meeting is automatically picked up by your laptop's microphone and sent to Microsoft, then my advice is to change the shrink because the current one has clearly not given you correct treatment and medicine. A new shrink might be able to fix that and get your paranoia if not totally cured but at least get it under control.

    You are right of course, people should listen this utterly nonsense paranoid monologue, I think that might help reasonable users to realize how far sick people are willing to go to convince others that "they are after us, on us, listening us, spying us!".

    You can be absolutely sure that Microsoft is not listening your business meetings or your conversations with your spouse or anyone else.

    Really, a new low has been reached.

    Kari

    Hi Kari

    Does everything you say get sent to Microsoft servers ? If not is there a statement from Microsoft say exactly what is, and is not sent ?

    Do they actually log your keystrokes and store copies of files ?
    If so wouldn't this include all your passwords etc, and would they then be obliged to pass this on to any supervising authority ? Is there a statement anywhere from Microsoft to say this is definitely NOT happening ?

    Sure the lady in the video is probably exaggerating Microsoft's interest in anything we say, other than to make money, but surely if either or both of the above are true then it does invade privacy is a very malware like way.

    Paranoia is only paranoia if it's not true !

    Zoo
      My System SpecsSystem Spec


  10. Joined : Oct 2013
    A Finnish ex-pat in Germany
    Posts : 9,575
    Windows 10 Pro
       25 Aug 2015 #10

    Mark Phelps said: View Post
    Once again, every time someone makes the claim that MS is spying on us, instead of challenging what they say with evidence to the contrary, folks seek the new "low" of character assassination -- calling them "tinfoil hat brigade" or "paranoid" or other such slurs.
    I see that we approach this from different points of view. For me it's "innocent until proven guilty", it's the Tinfoil Hat Brigade who needs to present proof; Microsoft does not have to prove their innocence any more than they have already done. You seem to think that every paranoid theory is OK and does not have to be proven right, it's enough when someone voices it and then it's up to MS to prove it's not true.

    Microsoft has made it very clear why they collect the data: to make Windows and my Windows experience better by providing for instance more accurate and closer to my interests search results and so on. Yes, of course they use for instance my Bing or Cortana searches to target ads but they also specifically promise me they do not collect this data from any of my personal data, my documents, emails and such:

    Microsoft uses the data we collect to provide you the services we offer, which includes using data to improve and personalize your experiences. We also may use the data to communicate with you, for example, informing you about your account, security updates and product information. And we use data to help make the ads we show you more relevant to you. However, we do not use what you say in email, chat, video calls or voice mail, or your documents, photos or other personal files to target ads to you.
    (From Microsoft Privacy Statement, July 2015)

    What they collect, how they collect it and why it's collected, all is explained.

    I rephrase what I said earlier: It is paranoid, even borderline sick to believe that Microsoft records everything you say in range of your PC microphone, that they spy you and your activities. Your PC is not constantly "calling home", Microsoft does not have any interest in your personal documents, your mail messages, your Skype chats and so on.

    I think that if MS spying you is a big concern to you, your only option is not to use Windows. It's just that I cannot understand how an Android, iOS or MacOSX device would be better, Apple's and Google's take in privacy is much worse.

    Kari
      My System SpecsSystem Spec


 
Page 1 of 4 123 ... LastLast


Similar Threads
Thread Forum
Watch out: A dangerous Windows 10 scam is being circulated online
According to Cisco's Talos group scammers impersonating Microsoft have begun sending out emails informing individuals that they are eligible to upgrade to Windows 10. The email appears to come from an official Microsoft address,...
Windows 10 News
IRQL/KMODE when I watch a stream/video
Hello everyone, I have this issue for about a month already. Starting with Windows 7 I thought the problem would resolve itself once I switched over to Windows 10. Sadly I was mistaken, IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL and KMODE_EXCEPTION_NOT_HANDLED BSOD...
BSOD Crashes and Debugging
Solved Installing 2 different video cards windows will not start.
NVIDIA TITAN X and NVIDIA GTX 980 video cards I have installed both cards separately with no problems, but when I install them both windows hangs on startup and will not give me any display. Any suggestions would be great, thanks.
Drivers and Hardware
Gabe Aul on Windows Weekly watch here
heres link to watch windows weekly with Gabe Aul as guest http://twit.tv/ww
Windows 10 News
Microsoft's Windows 10 Preview has permission to watch you
Source
General Support
Our Sites
Site Links
About Us
Windows 10 Forums is an independent web site and has not been authorized, sponsored, or otherwise approved by Microsoft Corporation. "Windows 10" and related materials are trademarks of Microsoft Corp.

Designer Media Ltd

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:31.
Find Us
Twitter Facebook Google+



Windows 10 Forums